Wilder's resume makes me laugh

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1) why did wilder refuse to take on klitschko as he “wasn’t ready” after around 30 fights?

You're painting a very inaccurate picture. He wasn't ready after "30 fights" because he had next to no amateur experience and so many of his pro fights were first round knockouts that after 30 fights, he really only had about a dozen fights worth of experience.

When he won the WBC championship, his manager said he needed two quick defenses to get ready for Klitschko. His manager is also Klitschko's manager btw. Klitschko already had a fight scheduled and wasn't even available anyway. So true to his word, his manager scheduled two quick defenses for Wilder and then had Wilder go public that he wanted Klitschko ASAP. This all took place in a matter of months. Klitschko had to fight Fury and after that, Klitschko vs. Wilder was the plan.

The only reason that fight didn't happen is because Klitschko lost. Klitschko was never available when Wilder won the title. Klitschko lost the same year Wilder won the title. They would have fought in 2016 if Klitschko had beaten Fury. They had the same manager and he was working on making the fight. Fury winning is what stopped that fight from happening, not anything else.

2) why did wilder fail to take on Parker himself?

Wilder offered Parker 50/50 to unify. There were serious talks to make the fight. The problem was that Parker can't fight in the US without Bob Arum's approval and Bob Arum blocked the fight. There wasn't enough money on the table to do the fight in New Zealand and with the US blocked by Arum, the fight fell apart.

If you really want to compare fighters you wouldn’t just compare the top two fights

Of course and I've already said AJ has the better resume. My point is simply that when people say Wilder hasn't fought anyone, the truth is that while his resume his thin, he has beaten multiple top 3 opponents, something AJ hasn't done. So while AJ has the better resume overall, people who claim Wilder hasn't fought anybody are being very dishonest.

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Pls don't mention that fat bum stirverne. Tony bellew KO flat.

He was the #2 heavyweight in the world at the time and held the most prestigious title in boxing. You're trying to rewrite history. Bellew has never accomplished anything close to what Stiverne accomplished.

[Kezzer]

Can't believe your still arguing but notice one point you made was " he has beaten multiple top 3 opponents, something AJ hasn't ".

Please enlighten me th who, outside Stiverne and Ortiz, you think was top3? I can't see past that those two, and even then it comes down to opinion / source because not everyone would have had them as top3.

Most people would have considered klitschko and Parker top3 and it comes down to opinions etc again. I don't honk any others Joshua fought would have been considered top3 , but then again, he still has been growing a steep curve so I would really be not expecting him to have had - he's always been ahead of the curve in his challenges so far

[Holler]

He was the #2 heavyweight in the world at the time and held the most prestigious title in boxing. You're trying to rewrite history. Bellew has never accomplished anything close to what Stiverne accomplished.

There are a lot of average boxers who have held titles though? His record isn't exactly great. Just exactly who has he fought that you rate him so highly? Chris Arreloa? Ray Austin?

His performance in the first Wilder fight let alone the second wasn't great either. I accept he's the second best name on Wilder's record and that he briefly troubled the higher end of the world rankings, but just how good do you think he ever really was?

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There are a lot of average boxers who have held titles though?

Sure. But very few have held the WBC world heavyweight championship and you can look through the histories of the four recognized heavyweight titles and there are far more average boxers who have held the other three than have held the WBC.

And separate from any titles, the major independent world rankings all had Stiverne #2 or #3. So it's not fair to Wilder to act like Stiverne is a bum because Wilder dominated when nobody was saying he was a bum heading into that fight.

[Holler]

Sure. But very few have held the WBC world heavyweight championship and you can look through the histories of the four recognized heavyweight titles and there are far more average boxers who have held the other three than have held the WBC.

And separate from any titles, the major independent world rankings all had Stiverne #2 or #3. So it's not fair to Wilder to act like Stiverne is a bum because Wilder dominated when nobody was saying he was a bum heading into that fight.

I don't like calling fighters bums to be honest, they're all of them braver than I am to get in the ring in the first place and wouldn't do that in Stiverne's case. I do question his record after fighting Wilder which looks awfully like a man who had been on the downturn. To say nothing of the ludicrous situation that saw a non active boxer as the replacement for Luis Ortiz.

[SuperSuperLeeds]

Stiverne was consensus top 3 in the world and Ortiz was consensus top 4 in the world.

Klitschko was inactive for so long and coming off a loss that many no longer had him in the top 10 due to inactivity.

Parker has the least important belt and no significant wins and was not a consensus top 3 or 4 guy. Many had him outside the top 5, including boxrec.

Wilder has the better top wins than AJ from a ranking perspective. But AJ has had fewer fights and has accomplished more in less time from a championship perspective.

So how about instead of all this fighting on the internet, the two of them fight in the ring in whichever location produces the most revenue?

you're on crack pal, stiverne more credible than wlad and parker? dno who this guy is but you forum geeks need to remove all credibility from this man.

[Laligalaliga]

He was the #2 heavyweight in the world at the time and held the most prestigious title in boxing. You're trying to rewrite history. Bellew has never accomplished anything close to what Stiverne accomplished.

I agree with you but it doesn't stop him from being a bum.
I doubt if he can beat his fellow bum breazeale.

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I don't like calling fighters bums to be honest, they're all of them braver than I am to get in the ring in the first place and wouldn't do that in Stiverne's case. I do question his record after fighting Wilder which looks awfully like a man who had been on the downturn. To say nothing of the ludicrous situation that saw a non active boxer as the replacement for Luis Ortiz.

Becoming a mandatory and enforcing a mandatory often involves a lot of inactivity. So Wilder's recent mandatory being inactive is no different than most non-IBF mandatories.

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you're on crack pal, stiverne more credible than wlad and parker? dno who this guy is but you forum geeks need to remove all credibility from this man.

Facts are facts. Stiverne was considered #2 or #3 when he defended against Wilder.

Parker wasn't considered #2 or #3 when he faced AJ.

If you want to rewrite history after the fact, I can't stop you. But those of us who have been watching boxing for more than a year should know the truth.