Was the 164 offer really that bad?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Ward was full of ****. I never liked the offer of 164 but it's amazing how many people hated the idea of ggg fighting froch or Chavez first before Ward. He gets 3 fights before kov, but nope, he has to fight ward right away. I've followed the timeline close enough to know the details. Again, hated the 164 ****, but Ward was disingenuous.

Of course Ward was disingenuous. He refused to fight Dawson at a catchweight because Dawson said he could beat him at 168. Says he can fight floyd at 160 but walks away from a more than fair compromise for 164. As it is, since Ward is so keen on what people say, I’m still waiting for him to beat. Klitschko.

[S7V7N]

Lot of good points been made here on both sides.

Everyone knows the 154-168 was a propaganda stunt to gain exposure. He'd had a very hard time getting fights for 5+ years & just got his HBO deal so Sanchez was trying to create some buzz around him. Guess what, it worked. Team Golovkin would still decide who/when/how to manage each individual fight through negotiations. It doesn't mean he'd fight anyone at their weight, it means he'd negotiate with any of them & depending on the reward would determine the concessions.

It's pretty simple, Golovkin wasn't offering to go to 168 for just anyone (the same with 154), only the biggest payday's & they said he wouldn't stay there, but would return to 160.

The point is that numerous times Golovkin has tried to negotiate fights with the top performers. Why did Cotto fight Martinez at 159 but only GGG at 155? Why did Canelo fight Chavez at 164.5 but GGG only at 155? Why did Cotto get 55% but GGG only got 30%? Negotiations aren't copy & paste. Ward wanted the advantages while not giving up anything. If he wanted 50/50 split, well then he'd have to give up some pounds.

[bambam182]

Boxing has weight classes. So if tomororw ggg says 154-hw and wilder calls him out and he dosen't fight it's a duck? You're not making any sense. GGG or any boxer is not obligated to fight anyone outside of his weight class. Also ward isn't chavez jr.

how does that not make sense? GGG said "i would fight anyone from 154-168"

ward fought at 168 at the time, but GGG wanted to fight him at 164. how does that not make sense? if a 168 fighter is too big then GGG shouldnt say he will fight ANYONE from 154-168.

how is that not clear? stop trying to justify for GGG.

[paulf]

I'm a big GGG fan, I defended him fighting Vanes FFS, but it was a blatant duck... and they were right to do it, because fighting Ward at 168 would have been really ******. They also ducked ****ing Sergio Mora around that time period too.

K2 constantly saying everyone was ducking GGG was a ****** marketing strategy that blew up in their faces. Live and learn.

[paulf]

Of course Ward was disingenuous. He refused to fight Dawson at a catchweight because Dawson said he could beat him at 168.

Get the FUCK out of here with that garbage-ass fantasy, bro. Ward didn't call Dawson out, wasn't chasing Dawson or any of the champs at 175, wasn't saying any of their names and wasn't eyeing a move up. Period. Dawson called Ward out on live TV after beating Hopkins saying they could do it at either 175 or 168 for Wards titles, and proceeded to brag about how easy it would be for him to go down to 168 if he wanted.

Only after the fight was in negotiations did Dawson try to walk back that offer, and when Wards team said they weren't interested in fighting above 168, Dawson accepted.

Stop trying to rewrite history.

[Motorcity Cobra]

GGG didnt have the spine to move up 1 division. Just one. You have B level guys like Broner fighting through 4 divisions and GGG wont move up 1 damn division even though he supposedly beats up light heavies in sparring. He knew Ward would tax his ass big time. He didnt want that work.

GGG Fans: GGG stops cruiserweights in sparring

Also GGG fans: Danny Jacobs was a cruiserweight in the ring. It was unfair

[Curt Henning]

Wrong, the offer was 164 for 50-50, not in general. Ward was a pain to deal with in negotiations and wanted more than K2 felt he was worth. We've seen and heard the same thing when Kathy Duva was dealing with him for Kovalev. So they then said if he wants 50-50, then it needs be at 164, meeting in the middle in purse and weight. Eventually K2 moved on to Lemueix and then Ward started making more noise about it, when it was too late. Even knowing it was too late, he agreed to the offer but wanted it about a year in advance around the same time he'd be fighting the Canelo/Cotton winner. I don't know think K2 was super anxious for than fight, but I don't think Ward was either.

golovkin already had lemiuex fight signed when ward approached them about a fight...they didnt "move on" to lemiuex....makes your whole stance invalid really...

[Curt Henning]

Get the FUCK out of here with that garbage-ass fantasy, bro. Ward didn't call Dawson out, wasn't chasing Dawson or any of the champs at 175, wasn't saying any of their names and wasn't eyeing a move up. Period. Dawson called Ward out on live TV after beating Hopkins saying they could do it at either 175 or 168 for Wards titles, and proceeded to brag about how easy it would be for him to go down to 168 if he wanted.

Only after the fight was in negotiations did Dawson try to walk back that offer, and when Wards team said they weren't interested in fighting above 168, Dawson accepted.

Stop trying to rewrite history.

most golovkin fans try to rewrite history on a daily basis

[Vasyl’s dad]

Get the FUCK out of here with that garbage-ass fantasy, bro. Ward didn't call Dawson out, wasn't chasing Dawson or any of the champs at 175, wasn't saying any of their names and wasn't eyeing a move up. Period. Dawson called Ward out on live TV after beating Hopkins saying they could do it at either 175 or 168 for Wards titles, and proceeded to brag about how easy it would be for him to go down to 168 if he wanted.

Only after the fight was in negotiations did Dawson try to walk back that offer, and when Wards team said they weren't interested in fighting above 168, Dawson accepted.

Stop trying to rewrite history.

Post where I said ward called out dawson. If not, calm your ****. Ward refused to consider any other weight. Thats a fact, not rewriting history.

[Nay_Sayer]

GGG Fans: GGG stops cruiserweights in sparring

Also GGG fans: Danny Jacobs was a cruiserweight in the ring. It was unfair

^This right here.

Lol..