The Lomachenko hype is going way too far

[chrisJS]

I started watching boxing as a kid in the 90s. I'll admit back then that I only knew who the big names were like Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Jones and De La Hoya. As I got older I got into the sport more and learned more about it.

You must be crazy if you think Virgil Hill is a better win than Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker

Most people considered Duran already washed up when Hearns beat him in their fight. Many considered Leonard also washed up by the time he and Hearns had their rematch. Don't act like every single champion Hearns fought was in his absolute prime either because that is not true.

Whitaker was old, clearly past his best (needed a come from behind hail mary KO of Hurtado and was lucky to sc**** by Rivera in the first fight) and even still most believe Oscar won that fight. Whitaker's current (at that time) level was sort of shown by Trinidad in a utterly lopsided loss.

Chavez was a spent bullet too. Clearly on the downside and ancient for that era. Lost handily to a fairly old Frankie Randall and got a WBC assisted gift win in a re-match.

Meanwhile Hearns who's a natural 147 pounder handily defeated Virgil Hill in his prime at 175. It was Hill's only defeat over a 15 year stretch. Not always bigger name = better win. For example Canelo's win over Mosley wasn't as good as Rungvisai's wins over Chocolatito and Estrada.

Duran went on to be the first man to take Hagler the distance as a challenger in a close fight and went on to win the middleweight championship and score historic victories. He also was coming off a great win just a few months prior. Was he prime? No. Was he still great? You better believe it.

[Banderivets]

Really?

Who?

Look it up...or is De Jesus another God from Mount Olympus?

[daggum]

Yes, I knew Hearns beat Hill and Cuevas but I didn't include those guys for the same reason I didn't include beating Gatti as accomplishment for Oscar. The guys I listed I feel were greater wins for both Oscar and Hearns respectively.

But even when you add up all the hall of famers each men fought Oscar still edges out Hearns. Now, Oscar certainly did not win against all of the elite level fighters he faced but neither did Hearns.

The only reason you're downplaying Oscar is because Floyd has a win over him. Which is what most Floyd haters do, they bash the guys Floyd beat just so they don't have to give him any credit.

There is a reason why ESPN ranked Floyd as the best boxer pound for pound over the last 25 years. There is a reason why even the fans voted him as the best boxer 6 times for the ESPY awards. There is a reason why he is a multiple time winner for fighter of the year. I get it, you dislike the guy but don't let your biases cloud your judgement.

floyd beat a past it hoya. according to you norris is better than floyd cause norris beat leonard.

yes the reason is hes the most popular. his resume isn't that good. no prime greats on it.

[Johnwoo8686]

floyd beat a past it hoya. according to you norris is better than floyd cause norris beat leonard.

yes the reason is hes the most popular. his resume isn't that good. no prime greats on it.

Wait, what? Where did I ever say Norris is greater than Floyd? How many times did Norris get his ass kicked? I wouldn't even put Norris above Canelo or Golovkin.

[daggum]

Nonsense. What happened? Did men suddenly start developing more slowly as generations passed?

We're back where we started. You trying to downplay the accomplishments of the guy you don't like like and uplift the guys you do like.

You have no realistic explanation of why you consider a 42-0 Canelo Alvarez at 23 years old with a world title not prime but 22 year old Hearns at 32-0 was in his prime. That right there just sounds ****** when you say it out loud.

ok canelo was prime...and canelo and hearns/benitez are on the same level how? those guys are much better. yes maybe canelo will be manufactured into a great fighter and that will be floyds one and only great win but lets wait for the canelo scorecards to come in first to determine that. also the fight was at 152 so that takes a lot of luster away from it. 2 champs in the same division fighting at a catch weight thats something new. floyd reinventing the game! wasn't just for an advantage no sir he only fights guys that are healthy he said it himself

[daggum]

Wait, what? Where did I ever say Norris is greater than Floyd? How many times did Norris get his ass kicked? I wouldn't even put Norris above Canelo or Golovkin.

the way you hold in such high regard beating past it fighters but i guess that only pertains to when floyd does it lol. so you are saying if norris had beaten more past it greats without losing he would be on floyds level? i agree!

[Johnwoo8686]

the way you hold in such high regard beating past it fighters but i guess that only pertains to when floyd does it lol. so you are saying if norris had beaten more past it greats without losing he would be on floyds level? i agree!

Norris was a solid champion. I'm not denying that Floyd beat some guys who were past their best but he also managed to win every time he stepped through those ropes. Something Norris could not do.