Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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How do you see Loma-Duran at 135 going?
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Duran is a guy who carried his punch all the way up to middleweight and is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time and has great speed. I think he'd rough Loma up and knock him out.
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Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View PostOrtiz is my #2 all time at 135Originally posted by chrisJS View PostI can accept Duran as the #1 at 135 in history but some historians would suggest Benny Leonard and I think Carlos Ortiz has a great claim too. I think Ortiz was good enough to even beat the best Duran at the weight and his resume at the weight perhaps has more depth if not quite the dominant run.
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Originally posted by Red Skull View PostWhy couldn't he beat Sugar Ray Leonard in the rematch?
Was it because Sugar Ray Leonard changed up his style or was it because duurrrrrrr he knew he wasn't training... uughhhhh Duran forgot how to cut off the ring that night
Duran fought some excellent guys but he was losing rounds at 135 and he was in plenty of close fights, y'all trying make him out as if he had a Wladimir Klitschko reign of dominance down there.
Sit the f**k down.
Come back when you have 1/2 of a working brain cell...
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Originally posted by 4truth View PostWe're talking 135. After Duran fought and beat SRL @147 he was 72-1. Duran's 1 loss being avenged by a KO.
At least 45 of those wins had either losing records, less than 10 wins or 8 or more losses on their resume.
If we take out those 45 wins (there were still lots of not so amazing records left such as 15-7, 121-55-19, 19-5...), you are left with 27 good wins.
The average record of those 27 wins were 29-5. Not bad, but not great either!
Loma's average record (without Salido, same courtesy I gave Duran taking out his 45 less than great wins) is 28-2. ALL Champions except one.
Undefeated fighters Duran beat during his 72-1 reign. Just ONE.
Loma has already beaten 3 undefeated Champions, not just fighters.
Duran is great, but Loma ain't chop liver and given time, who knows. Loma needs more fights to be compared to Duran, but it's early.
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Originally posted by Nay_Sayer View PostLeonard has Ws over Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler.
WHO in the hell has Lomafako ever beaten?
Like I said, not qualified to carry Leonard's jock strap...
He doesn't have the resume YET, but that's cause he just turned 30.
By Loma's age right now (30), Sugar Ray was 2-1 against Duran and Hearns. So give Loma time to carry someone's jockstrap.
Sugar Ray is my all time fav, but Loma's is on his was to be an ATG as well. NOT Yet though imo.
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Originally posted by bballchump11 View PostI wager that Hearn would knock out Lomachenko also
Now if you want to bet if Hearns can get down to 126 and fight Loma, I'd take that bet!
Both bets don't make much sense.
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Originally posted by chrisJS View PostI'd favor Loma over Marquez (my favorite fighter of all-time), Barrera, Morales, Pacquaio at their bests but Duran? I can't do that.
Do you know what those guys would do to him? You see how many times Linares was landing that left uppercut? You don't think Marquez would be having a field day?
Linares doesn't even hit that hard.
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