The Loma effect turns elite fighters into cans

[A.K]

How?

Walters has never been ranked P4P that's a fact.

You saying he was is nothing but mere fantasy and just not true.

Why the need to lie? Why the need to boost Loma's resume by making out one of his opponents was something he wasn't? Walter's is a good fighter and an impressive win but he wasn't on the P4P list. Fact.

There's no "can effect" in that scenario it's just simply a lie to say he was.

I said a lot of people had him in their p4p list I don’t know what exact list your talking about and maybe you didn’t think he was p4p but a lot of people sure did.

[Evil_Meat]

I guess this is what a can does to Loma.

[img]https://ephmedia.*****.com/189eb906-9cfb-4546-9cc0-14141008f5b7.gif[/img]

[_Rexy_]

people won't be happy unless Loma fights and beats Andre Ward at LHW

[IronDanHamza]

I said a lot of people had him in their p4p list I don’t know what exact list your talking about and maybe you didn’t think he was p4p but a lot of people sure did.

No you said;

"He was around #8-#10 on the P4P list"

That is not true. Again, why lie? To boost Loma's resume?

There was no P4P list with Walters on it, ever. That's the reality.

[Mike D]

if you think linares and grj are elite, you need help.

rigo and walters can be

Rigondeaux was a #1 pound for pound contender for a short period. Even entering the Lomachenko fight he was still considered by some to by a top 5 pound for pounder. After Walters steamrolled Donaire he entered top 10 pound for pound lists. Linares was considered a fringe top 10 pound for pounder going into the Loma fight and was unquestionably a top 20 in the world level of fighter. GRJ was never a top 10 but he was one of the premiere blue chip prospects in the sport when he fought Lomachenko.

Nobody's saying that these guys are all-time historic greats but they're all elite, blue chip guys.

[Mike D]

"He was around #8-#10 on the P4P list"

That is not true. Again, why lie? To boost Loma's resume?

There was no P4P list with Walters on it, ever. That's the reality.

After he demolished Donaire he entered top 10 pound for pound lists. I saw them. In fact I'm 99% sure that boxing scene had him just inside the top 10 after that win.

[Mammoth]

Show a list where the Axe Man was p4p. Give a link.

[Eff Pandas]

youre a cool cat but what makes you think your opinions ranks above others
i say yes, you say no....uummm......

youre caught in your own trap (bold)

My claim of "greatness" is based upon being among the best of their day. Floyd was among the best of his day. Loma is among the best of his day.

You are on some weirdo ranking bs that makes so sense logically & is based upon you, & those taken upon this task of ATG rankings bs, having some sort of opinion on fighters you've never seen at all or seen a couple fights of.

I mean think about this reallllllly. Lets say you've only seen 2 fights of some guy from the 1940's. How can you really judge that guy in context to his time let alone the greater time period of all of the modern era of boxing? Think about it. If you only saw two Floyd fights how would that impact your take on his skills? What if its the Diego Corrales fight & the Genaro Hernadez fight? Or what if its the Jose Luis Castillo & Marcos Maidana fights that many thought were close or he lost? Thats the blindspot you are working under with this atg stuff & your likely knowledge on it.

And as to the question, okay so wait no one is a great fighter til they are retired? Are you suggesting to me if someone was to search your past posts here you'd have never mentioned Floyd or anyone else as a great fighter while they were active?

[-Kev-]

I've always said Linar4es career is a joke, so I don't want anyone coming here talking up a storm about Linares being elite and how everyone thought he was. Please name one good fighter Linares beat.

No you said;

"He was around #8-#10 on the P4P list"

That is not true. Again, why lie? To boost Loma's resume?

There was no P4P list with Walters on it, ever. That's the reality.

When arguing on boxingscene you need visual proof, because these boxing fans forget so fast and basically just make stuff up in their mental gaps.

Forget that Walters wasn't anywhere near the top 10 P4P list, he wasn't even in the top 10 at 126 or 130. I remember this like it was yesterday because I actually follow boxing, but a lot of these fans, idk man, not saying they don't follow boxing, but they're definitely really forgetful and just make their own narrative. For example this argument, Walters being 8-10 P4P when Loma fought him, when actually he hadn't fought in 11 months and he entered 2016 as the #10 ranked at 130, and then dropped off entirely due to inactivity. Going into the Lomachenko fight, Walters was seen as good and dangerous fighter, but inactive and not in the top 10 at 130.

January 2016 130 Ring top 10:

1. Takashi Uchiyama
2. Francisco Vargas
3. Takashi Miura
4. Orlando Salido
5. Roman Martinez
6. Javier Fortuna
7. Jose Pedraza
8. Bryan Vasquez
9. Saul Rodriguez
10. Nicholas Walters

Walters, with his inactivity, was dropped by The Ring from the top 10 in his weight class.

Not even TBRB can save them in this argument: October 2016 130 rankings (1 month before Lomachenko vs Walters)

Junior Lightweight
Champion: Open
1. Francisco Vargas
2. Orlando Salido
3. Jezreel Corrales
4. Vasyl Lomachenko
5. Takashi Miura
6. Takashi Uchiyama
7. Jose Pedraza
8. Jason Sosa
9. Roman Martinez
10. Miguel Bercehlt


Internet boxing archives for the win!

[Mike D]

Okay this is the best I could find lol, and it's not quite top 10 p4p but it had Walters ranked #15 p4p after Mawyweather/Pacquiao

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2446353-top-25-pound-for-pound-boxers-after-mayweather-vs-pacquiao.amp.html

Look I know it's just bleacher report but Walters was thought of very, very highly after he dispatched Donaire