Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Gets Off The Floor To Knock Linares Out in Tenth

[Boxing Logic]

Top fight, both are excellent. Loma is so nice to watch.

However hes a walking ko. Mikey is going to KO him into the shadow realm.

Maybe, maybe not. Have Mikey go fight the most powerful junior middleweight, and he would for SURE be a walking KO. You should respect greatness. All Loma would have to do to go down in the history books is stay at 130 the rest of his career and he would be untouchable, no one would even come close to beating him, but he's chosen to not just dare to be great, but to try to push the limits of the greatness that is even possible in boxing. He just fought a much bigger man who also had speed and power (usually these fake champs create an illusion by fighting someone supposedly bigger but way slower, so they can just box circles around him. It's very rare when guys fight bigger FAST opponents), and Mikey is even bigger, so even if Mikey did KO Loma, it wouldn't mean Mikey was better than Loma, just a lot bigger. If they were the same size I bet even you would put money on Loma, not Mikey, if you had to bet a big sum. That says it all.

[ThatDude44]

FUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuk. I thought this was going to be a usual, late-start match. Decided to hop on "early" and the damned thing is over. Ugh...

Started early because De La Hoya had an HBO card that he didn't want to clash with this fight.

[FBox]

Linares was the toughest possible match up for Loma, a fast, tall, long limbed, hard hitting combination puncher. The fact that he walked away with the KO, is all so impressive.

Mikey Garcia IMO is an easier fight for Loma at 135. Although with Garcia's power, there is always a punchers chance. But I dont think he has the punch speed nor the stamina to deal with Loma.

However we've yet to see Loma taking a serious punch, so it will be interesting to see how his chin stands up as he goes up against bigger guys.

[Steven Mccowan]

Linares was the toughest possible match up for Loma, a fast, tall, long limbed, hard hitting combination puncher. The fact that he walked away with the KO, is all so impressive.

Mikey Garcia IMO is an easier fight for Loma at 135. Although with Garcia's power, there is always a punchers chance. But I dont think he has the punch speed nor the stamina to deal with Loma.

However we've yet to see Loma taking a serious punch, so it will be interesting to see how his chin stands up as he goes up against bigger guys.

yeah mikey is solid, but slow and dont let hands go often enough. Has power but now levels above linares power. Loma footwork and movement wears guys out too. Always moving. Caught perfect straight right and got up and stopped the big guy last night. Loma beats mikey and easter easier than linares

[Boxing Logic]

Despite his skills I think Mikey would have to **** Loma out. That movement from Loma exhausts his opponents. and he doesn't seem to lose any sharpness throughout the fight despite the pace he fights at.

It's not just the movement. Why is it that so many people have so much trouble giving Loma credit for his actual PUNCHES? "He just taps people. He has no power" etc etc. He is punching guys cleanly and hard enough that they have to respect every punch he throws, which translates to them having to respect every feint and movement he makes, which is what ultimately leads to your point about how his movement tires them out because his punches hurt enough that they have to react to his movements in the first place. But along with his movements, his punches are also hurting them! If you watched them exchange jabs, Loma's jab was snapping Linares head back wayyyy more, even when Loma's body wasn't behind it. So the smaller man has a more powerful jab, even without his body weight behind it. That means the smaller man has a bit of power, doesn't he? Of course, Loma's jab hand is his power hand, so that complicates things a bit, but what that also means is the KO shot Loma landed was with his weaker hand! So clearly he is pretty close to ambidextrous in boxing.

If you were making Lomachenko in a video game, you would say he has 99/100 timing, 95/100 speed, 100/100 footwork and skill, 96/100 accuracy, and 79/100 power, for example. So ask yourself, how would it feel getting hit over and over by someone with 10/10 speed and accuracy, essentially, and 8/10 power? Yeah it's not 10/10 power, but it's not 3/10 either. It's 8/10 hitting you with elite speed and great timing and accuracy to catch you when you're vulnerable. And he does it repeatedly, consistently, cleanly, round by round. That is what is hurting these guys not just movement, or "embarrassment." Walters literally said "I barely made it out of that last round." Everyone thought he quit because of embarrassment or frustration, no, he quit because Lomachenko clipping his chin and liver repeatedly with laser shots. The same goes for the other No Mas's. Rigo's coach said Loma hurt him badly the round before he quit and that's why they decided as a team to stop it. So make no mistake, Lomachenko is HURTING every opponent he fights. And if you go back to his early fights, you will notice it's been like that since the beginning. Almost knocked out Salido in the last round. Had Gary Russell Jr hurt to the body multiple times and staggering from head shots in the last round. He made another guy quit around then I forget his name, stayed on one knee until the ref went to 10 even though he could have continued. He knocked out Rocky Martinez after Rocky Martinez went the distance with Salido and Salido can punch a little.

So this is a trend. Loma has underrated power for SURE. I just think at 126, it's harder to have power in general. The lower the weight you go, the more punches guys can take on average, because there is less force. So ironically Loma has gained even more power going up in weight. Obviously when you're a smaller guy moving up, the DISPARITY in power between you and your opponents at the new weight increases AGAINST you, but that doesn't mean you're not gaining more power as you go up in weight, or even that the amount of punches your OPPONENT can take doesn't DECREASE barring a big size disadvantage for you at the new weight.

What I'm saying is, a 126 pound Linares against a 126 pound Lomachenko can take more punches than a 150 pound Linares against a 150 pound Lomachenko. Where it gets confusing is, what about a 150 pound Linares against a 140 pound Lomachenko? I think having a 10 pound weight advantage allows you to take more punches no matter what weight it happens at than being the same weight as your opponent. But, we don't know if it was a full 10 in this fight, or more like 7.

So to sum it up, I can't tell you Loma will have more punching power at 135 if he keeps fighting guys who outweigh him by 10 pounds, but my point is, at 130 fighting guys who weighed the same as him, it makes sense that Loma had more power than at 126, and at 135, if Loma ever does fight guys close to his weight, he might have even more power than he did at 130. But, that's the whole rub because at 135 Loma is usually not going to fight guys his weight. But, you get the idea. The point is, Loma had underrated power at 126 that people simply overlooked, but that's a hard weight class to show power in. At 130 Loma was able to add just that little more muscle and mass that he needed for the shots at 126 that hurt guys bad but didn't make them quit to go the extra mile and make them quit, and now at 135 he showed even more on that last body shot, although for many of the head shots it went the other way because Linares size allowed him to absorb them, and it could definitely go the other way in the future if Loma keeps fighting bigger guys. But, to finally end this comment, don't underestimate Loma's power. He's not a 1 punch KO artist usually, but he hurts guys consistently pretty much every time out.

[Noelanthony]

Mikey is pretty slow. Doesnt throw alot of punches and also is there to hit. Dont,forget broner touched him up a bit and broner was barely throwing punches. I like mikey and all but he aint beating loma. I not so sure mikey beats linares either really. Linares is also big, fast, powerful with good movement. I knew last nights fight would be tough for a bit with loma ko him around 9-10. Grrat fought fight and heart by linares. Loma wont be beat by anyone 135 or lower. Maybe even 140

Tell them Steven . Mikey is not pretty slow he is slow compared to Lomachenko and even slower after 7 rounds. His fat head is there to be hit

[Boxing Logic]

Disgusting commentary from espn. Only 1 judge had loma up before the knockdown. I had linares up 2 before the knockdown. ESPN pretending that loma who was out landed and dropped before the stoppage as up huge and dominating. He wasn't. Very close fight. Terrible bias only Bradley was fair and impartial

The commentary was favoring Loma because that's what commentators have turned into these days, promoters. They want a new P4P star and obviously Loma is the one with the transcendent talent to become one, not Linares, so the commentators behaved accordingly. I really dislike it in general, since commentators are supposed to be objective, but the reason why it didn't bother me as much this time is because they really weren't saying anything untrue. They said Loma is P4P #1, he is. They said Loma was winning most the rounds, he was. In fact they overrated how many rounds Linares had won in my view. And compubox was just insane, completely wrong. They were scoring all the shots Linares threw that Loma blocked. I guess their eyes weren't good enough to see Loma using his arms to block body shots or his gloves to block headshots.

The commentary that really bothers me is when the boxer is not talented enough to live up to the commentator's agenda, so they have to create lies to try to fit the agenda. Like HBO last night continually bringing up Ward in a fight that had nothing to do with Ward, and then saying Ward beat Kovalev twice with body punching when the first fight was a robbery that all three of Kellerman, Lampley, and RJJ admitted at the time Kovalev won, but now they're all acting like it was a legit Ward victory, and when the rematch ended on a clear low blow, not a body shot. It's not even debatable you can read the rule book of what a legal body shot is, and then you can compare that to slow motion video of where the shot landed. We live in 2018 with technology like that, it's very easy to figure it out down to a science, and it was clearly a low blow to which Kovalev reacted like it was a low blow, immediately looking to the referee and making the face that every man who has been hit in the balls before can recognize.

So do I agree with you that agenda-driven commentators are super annoying? Yes, absolutely. But if the fighter lives up to the agenda, and the agenda happens to coincidence with the truth for once, then is that anywhere near as annoying to me as when the agenda is built on lies? Absolutely not. And as I said, for as much as they tried to PROMOTE Lomachenko IN GENERAL as ESPN's new star, I thought the actual FIGHT commentary was at times being over-compensated in favor of Linares. They would talk GENERALLY about how spectacular Lomachenko's skills are, but then they would still say 1. Linares is outlanding him, or 2. this is a really good Linares round, or 3. "Linares has not hit him low or rabbit punched him once, what is Papachenko complaining about?" or 4. "Lomachenko is really trying to get a point taken" or 5. "seeing the blood really got Lomachenko back going again," ALL of which were usually complete lies, except maybe the last one.

1. Lomachenko outlanded Linares, not vice versa. As I said, compubox was more blind in this fight than ever before. Terrible.

2. Half the time they said good Linares round, it was a clear Lomachenko round. Linares won the KD round, the round after when Loma played it safe, and maybe the 1st round but maybe not. He won 2-3 rounds out of 10, but they acted like he'd won 4-5.

3. Linares definitely hit him with a rabbit punch and a few other borderline foul shots. Papachenko was proven right later in the fight when Linares started doing it even more often and more blatantly, but the commentators basically called him a liar early on when obviously, he knows better than they do.

4. I didn't get the impression Loma was trying to get a point taken from Linares at all. Why would that be the focus when Loma seemed way up on the scorecards? It looked to me like Loma was simply trying to stop getting fouled. "Ref, he fouled me. Please make him stop fouling me." That's what it seemed like to me, not a focus on points. Loma as he proved later usually does not need an extra point to decide his fights.

5. This could have been the case but it seemed more to me like Loma simply took the round after he got KD'd off to just be safe and make sure his legs and ability to take a punch were back to 100%. Then the next round, he started going back to working Linares again, and caught him with a nice shot which is what opened up the cut in the first place and probably hurt Linares a little bit, and then the natural evolution of that was that Lomachenko turned up the offense even more. But the commemorators made it sound like Loma was lacking in confidence and out of ideas, and only Linares skin opening up was what made him confident again. I don't think that was it.

So I agree with you in the sense that ESPN is clearly trying to market Lomachenko as a future PPV star, but as for the fight itself, I disagree that the commentary surrounding the actual fight itself, not the "greatness of Lomachenko" in the abstract, was completely biased in Lomachenko's favor. I feel that the only times they said Loma was doing great was when Loma really was doing great, but that there were plenty of times they said he wasn't doing great, or that Linares was doing better than him, when he really wasn't, not to mention the other false, anti-Loma comments they made about his father's concern over the low blows and the other things I already detailed. So, it's not as simple as you make it. I think those commentators are more just uneducated about boxing than anything. They don't know what they're doing, other than their directive to try to make Loma a PPV star. I don't like them other than Bradley, but at least they're not blatantly lying to everyone's face like Kellerman, RJJ, and, sadly, Jim Lampley who has recently also I guess caved to pressure and joined them.

[Boxing Logic]

These early stoppage is the most annoying thing about boxing refs should ask the fighters if they can continue

I agree it's one of the worst things about boxing, but this was not early at all. Linares just said that in the post fight interview because promoters always tell fighters to say that because it can be used to market a potential rematch. It's how they were able to get a second fight out of the Kovalev-Pascal matchup that otherwise would not have worked out well.

But in reality, the ref counted to 10, and asked Linares to come to him or show that he was ready, but instead of doing that, Linares stayed bent over in a submissive position basically asking, with his body language, for the ref to stop the fight, and then the ref did that, and Linares did not argue. He looked disappointed, but resigned knowing he had lost and could not go on. He even said almost as much in the post fight interview, that the first body shot (not sure what he was referring to) he could take, but the next one was a perfect shot and that was basically it.

[Noelanthony]

It's not just the movement. Why is it that so many people have so much trouble giving Loma credit for his actual PUNCHES? "He just taps people. He has no power" etc etc. He is punching guys cleanly and hard enough that they have to respect every punch he throws, which translates to them having to respect every feint and movement he makes, which is what ultimately leads to your point about how his movement tires them out because his punches hurt enough that they have to react to his movements in the first place. But along with his movements, his punches are also hurting them! If you watched them exchange jabs, Loma's jab was snapping Linares head back wayyyy more, even when Loma's body wasn't behind it. So the smaller man has a more powerful jab, even without his body weight behind it. That means the smaller man has a bit of power, doesn't he? Of course, Loma's jab hand is his power hand, so that complicates things a bit, but what that also means is the KO shot Loma landed was with his weaker hand! So clearly he is pretty close to ambidextrous in boxing.

If you were making Lomachenko in a video game, you would say he has 99/100 timing, 95/100 speed, 100/100 footwork and skill, 96/100 accuracy, and 79/100 power, for example. So ask yourself, how would it feel getting hit over and over by someone with 10/10 speed and accuracy, essentially, and 8/10 power? Yeah it's not 10/10 power, but it's not 3/10 either. It's 8/10 hitting you with elite speed and great timing and accuracy to catch you when you're vulnerable. And he does it repeatedly, consistently, cleanly, round by round. That is what is hurting these guys not just movement, or "embarrassment." Walters literally said "I barely made it out of that last round." Everyone thought he quit because of embarrassment or frustration, no, he quit because Lomachenko clipping his chin and liver repeatedly with laser shots. The same goes for the other No Mas's. Rigo's coach said Loma hurt him badly the round before he quit and that's why they decided as a team to stop it. So make no mistake, Lomachenko is HURTING every opponent he fights. And if you go back to his early fights, you will notice it's been like that since the beginning. Almost knocked out Salido in the last round. Had Gary Russell Jr hurt to the body multiple times and staggering from head shots in the last round. He made another guy quit around then I forget his name, stayed on one knee until the ref went to 10 even though he could have continued. He knocked out Rocky Martinez after Rocky Martinez went the distance with Salido and Salido can punch a little.

So this is a trend. Loma has underrated power for SURE. I just think at 126, it's harder to have power in general. The lower the weight you go, the more punches guys can take on average, because there is less force. So ironically Loma has gained even more power going up in weight. Obviously when you're a smaller guy moving up, the DISPARITY in power between you and your opponents at the new weight increases AGAINST you, but that doesn't mean you're not gaining more power as you go up in weight, or even that the amount of punches your OPPONENT can take doesn't DECREASE barring a big size disadvantage for you at the new weight.

What I'm saying is, a 126 pound Linares against a 126 pound Lomachenko can take more punches than a 150 pound Linares against a 150 pound Lomachenko. Where it gets confusing is, what about a 150 pound Linares against a 140 pound Lomachenko? I think having a 10 pound weight advantage allows you to take more punches no matter what weight it happens at than being the same weight as your opponent. But, we don't know if it was a full 10 in this fight, or more like 7.

So to sum it up, I can't tell you Loma will have more punching power at 135 if he keeps fighting guys who outweigh him by 10 pounds, but my point is, at 130 fighting guys who weighed the same as him, it makes sense that Loma had more power than at 126, and at 135, if Loma ever does fight guys close to his weight, he might have even more power than he did at 130. But, that's the whole rub because at 135 Loma is usually not going to fight guys his weight. But, you get the idea. The point is, Loma had underrated power at 126 that people simply overlooked, but that's a hard weight class to show power in. At 130 Loma was able to add just that little more muscle and mass that he needed for the shots at 126 that hurt guys bad but didn't make them quit to go the extra mile and make them quit, and now at 135 he showed even more on that last body shot, although for many of the head shots it went the other way because Linares size allowed him to absorb them, and it could definitely go the other way in the future if Loma keeps fighting bigger guys. But, to finally end this comment, don't underestimate Loma's power. He's not a 1 punch KO artist usually, but he hurts guys consistently pretty much every time out.

Bloody hell are you a school teacher? I could have said that in 6 lines. However nevertheless a very sound analysis. I would give you some green, but I don’t want to ��

[Boxing Logic]

Loma got a weak chin. He better stay away from the welterweights.

I was about to argue with you after the first sentence, but then I read the second sentence and realized you were joking. But then I remembered that the LDBC was a thing, and started to wonder, once again, if you were actually serious. Now I have no idea! Lol. But for the record, I was very impressed with Loma's chin. He took Linares best shot and was up off the canvas in half a second. Then he took a wicked left uppercut a round or two later that he didn't see(!!!), but he stood up to it! Those are shots that KO you, especially against a bigger man. It was the shot that put Crolla down vs Linares! And yet, the smaller Loma took it well. That suggests to me that Loma has a good chin. In fact, it suggests that at 126 and 130, Loma has one of the best chins in boxing, but even at 135, it appears he has a good chin, to me.