Haymon sports competition

[lanker rom]

I think there are a lot of moving parts that are starting to fall in place. From that, you will (or not) see the TV deal fall in place. There is no way Haymon is looking for another round of investments. And I think he's sitting on more money from the initial investment than folks care to admit.

You mention that it's an antiquated plan, but the best solution is to latch on to a network with a solid streaming/app platform. Best of both worlds. Fans want to pay for one or the other, not both.

Thanks for posting. Your right I happen to believe that Eddie Hearn and AL have a good relationship and so does Al and WME. This new Dazn app actually makes it easier for American fighters to gain Global appeal and Zuffa could help fighters gain traction in USA.

Getting a network with further reach then t.v is obviously in his plans

[Madison Boxing]

i think haymons gonna lose his grip on american boxing. his flagship pbc project has been nothing short of a failure and fighters are unhappy with how theyve been managed. unfortunately in a crowded market place you have to offer a product that people want to see, and haymon does not deliver good competitive match ups regularly enough.

[just the facts]

i think haymons gonna lose his grip on american boxing. his flagship pbc project has been nothing short of a failure and fighters are unhappy with how theyve been managed. unfortunately in a crowded market place you have to offer a product that people want to see, and haymon does not deliver good competitive match ups regularly enough.

Again, if Al Haymon were Caucasian, you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs how PBC was the best thing that ever happened to boxing b

[Madison Boxing]

Again, if Al Haymon were Caucasian, you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs how PBC was the best thing that ever happened to boxing b

You need some new material mate.

[Eff Pandas]

I think there are a lot of moving parts that are starting to fall in place. From that, you will (or not) see the TV deal fall in place. There is no way Haymon is looking for another round of investments. And I think he's sitting on more money from the initial investment than folks care to admit.

You mention that it's an antiquated plan, but the best solution is to latch on to a network with a solid streaming/app platform. Best of both worlds. Fans want to pay for one or the other, not both.

Sure. But thats the transition we are in right now. We aren't in the old timey place or all the way in the new place yet.

And I don't disagree Haymon is less likely to be looking for another round of investments & could be holding more money then people think, but I still say its more likely he's on some other thing then his original plan now.

First people were cutting cords. Then people started paying more streaming services. And eventually broadcast TV will be dead & no one will be paying them a dime month in, month out.

[Scipio2009]

You think this is a winning plan heading in the 2020's? Sounds like the plan most promoters had for the last 3 decades to me. Although I guess you did say CBS along with Showtime, but again that doesn't seem to be maximized or used with much intelligence based on what I've seen. And even taking CBS into account as an addition to the old timey TV plan its still like 90% or w/e of the old timey plan.

I still say Haymon is on another plan now or he's just keeping this thing going for as long as possible hoping to get another round of investments cuz if this recent Hearn deal told us anything there is still a lot of money to be made in boxing & even if you lit $500M-ish on fire its possible to get all that back with these 1B dollar boxing deals that will be coming up some more in the future. Just cuz Hearn got the 1st one don't mean it'll be the last.

Showtime/CBS already has their own OTT platform for their content (can't find the source currently, but I believe I've read that the Showtime app is already at 3m, with CBS All Access not that far behind), and I think FOX is likely to see it as good business to see if doing their own also makes sense (Disney has basically bought up most of 21st Century Fox to do just that).

As dominant a service as Netflix is, there's a reason Netflix chose to enter into a partnership with Comcast. Same reason why Amazon has been adding brick-and-morter locations, or why Netflix is kicking the tires of a few theaters.

I've got no idea of the timing, but I think that they'll be a day where NBCUniversal, Disney, CBS Networks, Fox Channels, Netflix, Scripps Networks, Discovery, and whatever other channel groupings will all be OTT networks, and it'll be on the various cable operators to bundle the different OTT streams into bundles that help lower prices for folks.

Streaming services, longterm, will have difficult times standing on their own, imo anyway.

[Eff Pandas]

Showtime/CBS already has their own OTT platform for their content (can't find the source currently, but I believe I've read that the Showtime app is already at 3m, with CBS All Access not that far behind), and I think FOX is likely to see it as good business to see if doing their own also makes sense (Disney has basically bought up most of 21st Century Fox to do just that).

So where's the money for Haymon & PBC? The ESPN+ App looks like dogsh^t, but its in business & Arum gots a deal. This Dazn app isn't even in the US market yet, but Hearn is contractd for 1B f#cking dollars ffs. Why no go with Showtime/Haymon?

As dominant a service as Netflix is, there's a reason Netflix chose to enter into a partnership with Comcast. Same reason why Amazon has been adding brick-and-morter locations, or why Netflix is kicking the tires of a few theaters.

Well of course its beneficial to take on partners. Specifically in this market which I predict will be a bloodbath with mfers losing money & getting put out of business. This is the battleground for the future of visual entertainment & this is still the ground floor more or less.

I've got no idea of the timing, but I think that they'll be a day where NBCUniversal, Disney, CBS Networks, Fox Channels, Netflix, Scripps Networks, Discovery, and whatever other channel groupings will all be OTT networks, and it'll be on the various cable operators to bundle the different OTT streams into bundles that help lower prices for folks.

That'll be something I agree at some point, but I think it might be early in the game for that. But yea you can't be paying $5-$20 for 17 or however many channels you dig & act like thats a great situation. Although I do think its influx still. I think it could be that cats coming up like the ala carte type $5 charges for different channels so maybe it will fly idfk, but I doubt it'll be handled anytime soon cuz this is still the ground floor & thats like a 4th floor problem. That'll be a problem resolved or a angle embraced if its accepted long term at some point further down the line.

Streaming services, longterm, will have difficult times standing on their own, imo anyway.

I don't see why. Already many of the broadcast channels with history are slow to fully embrace this technology it seems which means they'll be playing catch up & just discovering problems these major players have long solved for customers. And customers aren't usually known for their patience as you try to discover hw to sold their problems. This is a long game being played cuz we still gotta get all these cord cutters figuring out who's gonna be the big timers + we got the non-cord cutters who'll still need to cut that cord to hit that critical mass number that'll change how we watch TV/view sports.

[lanker rom]

If the Ice cube led big three can get a deal with fs1 there is know way in the world that pbc cant. Not a single one.... that means the question isn't if its how much. Bill king wrote an article called "pbc plots path to maximize rights distribution". Note how its not called pbc attempting to get a distribution partner.

[Scipio2009]

So where's the money for Haymon & PBC? The ESPN+ App looks like dogsh^t, but its in business & Arum gots a deal. This Dazn app isn't even in the US market yet, but Hearn is contractd for 1B f#cking dollars ffs. Why no go with Showtime/Haymon?



Well of course its beneficial to take on partners. Specifically in this market which I predict will be a bloodbath with mfers losing money & getting put out of business. This is the battleground for the future of visual entertainment & this is still the ground floor more or less.



That'll be something I agree at some point, but I think it might be early in the game for that. But yea you can't be paying $5-$20 for 17 or however many channels you dig & act like thats a great situation. Although I do think its influx still. I think it could be that cats coming up like the ala carte type $5 charges for different channels so maybe it will fly idfk, but I doubt it'll be handled anytime soon cuz this is still the ground floor & thats like a 4th floor problem. That'll be a problem resolved or a angle embraced if its accepted long term at some point further down the line.



I don't see why. Already many of the broadcast channels with history are slow to fully embrace this technology it seems which means they'll be playing catch up & just discovering problems these major players have long solved for customers. And customers aren't usually known for their patience as you try to discover hw to sold their problems. This is a long game being played cuz we still gotta get all these cord cutters figuring out who's gonna be the big timers + we got the non-cord cutters who'll still need to cut that cord to hit that critical mass number that'll change how we watch TV/view sports.

Haymon is basically the sole content provider for Showtime/CBS (ShoBox is filled with a good mix of promoters and talent with/not with Haymon, but everyone involved seems to work well together); regardless of if the deal is on a handshake or not, Showtime/CBS have continued to increase the money that they've committed to boxing, and Haymon benefits more from that than anyone.

The network deal will have to be on more than a handshake.

[lanker rom]

Haymon is basically the sole content provider for Showtime/CBS (ShoBox is filled with a good mix of promoters and talent with/not with Haymon, but everyone involved seems to work well together); regardless of if the deal is on a handshake or not, Showtime/CBS have continued to increase the money that they've committed to boxing, and Haymon benefits more from that than anyone.

The network deal will have to be on more than a handshake.

This is exactly why I made this thread!!!! Haymon and his goals, tactics, and relationships with those in the business are so mysterious no one really knows whats going on.


The question I wanted to ask is based on a statement by haymons lawyer saying this. "Haymon Sports were intended to, and actually did, increase competition in the boxing industry, to the benefit of the boxers, other promoters and the fans"

Is it really a coincidence that the UFC and eddie hearn are going after haymon (usa) fighters and getting into the boxing business (in zuffas case) after PBC was created?