How do people love PBC but hate Hearn's new venture?

[The Gambler1981]

Again you are missing the fact that they already have a good subscriber base, which includes a million subscribers in Japan alone. They hold the Premier League and Champions league rights in Germany, MASSIVE. They don't need a huge American subscriber base, and certainly not immediately, but they WANT it, to take them to the next level. The US boxing content will give them more subscribers in their existing markets, and other countries that are in the pipeline (which they have the rights to).

It is nothing like the PBC in practicality, because they have their own platform.

Hearn has a $8 million budget per US show for the next 2 years. PBC had nowhere near that kind of financial backing.

Not to mention this is a completely different model, it's a subscription based streaming service, not relying on networks to provide slots. They are looking for a steady progression in subscriptions over several years not profit on individual shows, and that right there is the only real uncertainty with this. We all know streaming is the future, it's why all top of the line Tv's have built in Wi-Fi and streaming services, etc. It's the way music has gone, and movies are going. It's a matter of when not if with sport.

US is the hardest market and the most valuable media market so if they want to be really into sports they need it. If those international streaming rights for leagues and events are worth enough they will be included in deals with TV or other media then they won't have them anymore just like Netflix used to have HBO shows but now don't because HBO can just do it themselves.

What are they paying Hearn for then if they don't care, they are paying him a lot to deliver, something that I don't know that he can. If he can't get the job done do you think they don't have an out? Still their success or failure in the US hinges on a lot more than boxing it would just be a piece, could be a nice piece but they need a lot more.

We'll see it can work or it won't for DAZN and Hearn, but if they are serious about competing in the US market they need a lot more than boxing, if they have that much backing they should be working on getting Sunday Ticket rights, then I would consider them serious about the market. Until they get something like that or they get a bunch of smaller things it is a meh brand no one knows about going against big boys who hold all the cards who already saw that playbook with Netflix so that probably won't fly again.

If it is just a meh brand small time, it is pushing boxing further off the radar for money which is exactly how the sport has gone, has since the future was cable, then premium cable, then ppv. So unless DAZN turns into something good that is not exactly great for the sport as a whole, but could be good for Hearn and some fighters though but there are always winners and losers. Just like DAZN could be a winner or loser in a much bigger game but a lot has to happen and go right for them to win here.

[Pigeons]

Dazn is more expensive than HBO or Showtime per month.

[LacedUp]

Brook was not big enough to be PPV and no one would fight him? I remember Brook pulling out of fights against Alexander and declining to fight Bradley in order to go the IBF route. He declined to fight Rios, Chavez and Vargas.

Alexander pulled out as well, why didn't you mention that?

He had a mandatory with Porter. Why would he sign away three options to Top Rank? They offered Bradley a fight when Brook was champ - According to Bradley himself, so please spare the BS.

Rios chose to fight Bradley instead of Brook - According to Rios and his team.

We all know what happened with Chaves and Vargas. We got GGG and Spence instead.

Brook scurred doe

[LacedUp]

I got to see how things shape up with this before I criticize it. I just want to see who he signs, what fights are made, and what's the price point. With ESPN+, we Americans already have a sports streaming service. Let's see what he's able to do.

Which sports are shown on ESPN+?

[LacedUp]

Dazn is more expensive than HBO or Showtime per month.

how do you know?

[Pigeons]

how do you know?

It was $20 in Canada. HBO is $15 and Showtime $12 in US. We'll see when they roll it out.

[lanker rom]

US is the hardest market and the most valuable media market so if they want to be really into sports they need it. If those international streaming rights for leagues and events are worth enough they will be included in deals with TV or other media then they won't have them anymore just like Netflix used to have HBO shows but now don't because HBO can just do it themselves.

What are they paying Hearn for then if they don't care, they are paying him a lot to deliver, something that I don't know that he can. If he can't get the job done do you think they don't have an out? Still their success or failure in the US hinges on a lot more than boxing it would just be a piece, could be a nice piece but they need a lot more.

We'll see it can work or it won't for DAZN and Hearn, but if they are serious about competing in the US market they need a lot more than boxing, if they have that much backing they should be working on getting Sunday Ticket rights, then I would consider them serious about the market. Until they get something like that or they get a bunch of smaller things it is a meh brand no one knows about going against big boys who hold all the cards who already saw that playbook with Netflix so that probably won't fly again.

If it is just a meh brand small time, it is pushing boxing further off the radar for money which is exactly how the sport has gone, has since the future was cable, then premium cable, then ppv. So unless DAZN turns into something good that is not exactly great for the sport as a whole, but could be good for Hearn and some fighters though but there are always winners and losers. Just like DAZN could be a winner or loser in a much bigger game but a lot has to happen and go right for them to win here.

why is it that reasonable responses like these are never paid any attention in these forums?

[Thraxox]

the honest response to that is that I actually didn't see those responses.

But listen, everyone has a price incl. Charlo. Whether or not he's smart enough to see it is up to him. He's obviously a stubborn guy, but he doesn't seem dumb to me.

If there's an opportunity for him to make double, he should take it imo.

But I also just said who I thought Hearn should sign, not who he's definitely going to sign.

Do you think Hearn signing the entire Super Fly Card be a good move? He would have Arroyo-Cuadras-Gonzalez-Rungvisai-Nietes, five fighters with p4p skills and a guarantee entertainment for boxing fans, those roster alone could probably span for 4 events and might be more talents coming out by then to fill the roster again, and it would be cheap because Flyweights would ask for no more than 300,000 dollars each, and the flyweights are eager for more exposure to have more money because they have been complaining that HBO has been underpaying them, and they had also prove they can bring money because the ratings they give and the live gate exceeded.

[Vasyl’s dad]

This is not the same thing that pbc was supposed to be. How is $20 a month “free to air”?

The only way this is any good is if it fully replaces hbo sho and espn. What makes you think people want to pay even more for boxing?

How is basic cable free? You guys got conned by the word free. Its 2018. Very few people and even less boxing fans are watching tv with just antennas. Even it you stream you’re still paying for internet service.

[Wolfie*]

Which sports are shown on ESPN+?

Literally every sport. You can customize to the point where the sports you like will pop up to fit your style and preference. When it comes to boxing, they will show you the full cards, even the under, under cards. They got some exclusive shows coming that will be boxing centric too. I like Hearn's idea and he's got money to play with, but he has to blow it out of the water when it comes to fights and who he signs.