Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Wants Wilder - But He Wants The Fight in The UK

[KnickTillDeaTh]

He denied both those points I listed in interviews at the time. I'm sorry I don't have links for them or the time to wade back through to find them.

The wider point however is that Team Wilder doing their business in public, publishing private emails, leaking offers to the press even before responding to the offer from Hearn is not going to make the fight. That seems to have stopped now fortunately.

Publicizing and leaking are two different things. Agree Wilders side took the step to publicize, but again, it was in retaliation to Hearn lying about the contact between the teams in the first place. As for the bold, the publicized tactic is what forced Hearn to continue negotiating. Where the negotiations are now is a direct result of publicizing them. You want to admonish Wilders team for publicizing, then you have to do the same for Hearn's lying. And if you admonish Wilders side, at least give them credit where it's do.

[Holler]

Publicizing and leaking are two different things. Agree Wilders side took the step to publicize, but again, it was in retaliation to Hearn lying about the contact between the teams in the first place. As for the bold, the publicized tactic is what forced Hearn to continue negotiating. Where the negotiations are now is a direct result of publicizing them. You want to admonish Wilders team for publicizing, then you have to do the same for Hearn's lying. And if you admonish Wilders side, at least give them credit where it's do.

If you publish a confidential private communication without the permission of the originating party then you're abandoning commercial confidentiality and committing a serious breach of trust.

It's bizarre that you think this behaviour somehow forced Hearn to continue negotiating when it was Hearn who initiated negotiations in the first place?

Where the negotiations are now is a direct result of publicizing them.

Sure. Are you seriously arguing that more progress has been achieved by this method than it would've been by constant, private communication between the principals on either side? The business only gets done when this sort of behavior stops.

As for me, I've criticised both sides. Each of them have played to the gallery and made moves which would never result in a deal being made. Hearn has now toned down the baiting of Wilder's team and they've stopped conducting negotiations via social media and buddies in the press. Hopefully that's a good sign.

[New England]

AKA they know damn well showtime / cbs and al haymon had th emoney to put this thing on PPV in the states, and pay 50 million to joshua with an upside.

they turned down 50 million to keep the fight in the UK. they ahve almost no shot f making that in the UK and paying wilder what he deserves. it is what it is. eddie is ducking the fight for now.

he's goign to wait until the pot is a bit sweeter, and cash out in las vegas.

[MDPopescu]

AKA they know damn well showtime / cbs and al haymon had th emoney to put this thing on PPV in the states, and pay 50 million to joshua with an upside.

they turned down 50 million to keep the fight in the UK. they ahve almost no shot f making that in the UK and paying wilder what he deserves. it is what it is. eddie is ducking the fight for now.

he's goign to wait until the pot is a bit sweeter, and cash out in las vegas.

... everybody wants to fight "at home"...
paying Wilder what he deserves it's but a figure of speech... he already fought 40 times and the other one fought only 20 times... (I don't invite you to compare their respective "fortunes" in order to assess what they actually deserve respectively)...

[New England]

... everybody wants to fight "at home"...
paying Wilder what he deserves it's but a figure of speech... he already fought 40 times and the other one fought only 20 times... (I don't invite you to compare their respective "fortunes" in order to assess what they actually deserve respectively)...

how much they've made has no direct baring on how much revenue they can generate. it has a lot more to do with the purses they deserve and will come up accordingly. eddie hearn has said himself that the fight is bigger in the US. and that's just a fact. our economy is 10X the size of your own. hell, we have a state, california, who has a comparable, or even bigger economy! really! look it up! las vegas will pay you to host the fight, and it will do more in ******** revenue in an hour than klitschko - joshua did at the gate. you can sell a 10K ringside seat in las vegas!

so joshua / hearn were offered not only a guarantee, but an upside / split.



just for some context, calzaghe vs hopkins did a bigger gate than joshua vs klitschko. and everybody worth listening to knew that the best LHW in the world was a kid named chad dawson, and hopkins and calzaghe were both over the hill! even eddie hearn knows the fight is bigger here.

it is what it is. i'm not goignto watch idly while somebody stares up at a blue sky and tells me it is red.

[KillaMane26]

No problem but moreso the change of tune i don't like

[MDPopescu]

how much they've made has no direct baring on how much revenue they can generate. it has a lot more to do with the purses they deserve and will come up accordingly. eddie hearn has said himself that the fight is bigger in the US. and that's just a fact. our economy is 10X the size of your own. hell, we have a state, california, who has a comparable, or even bigger economy! really! look it up! las vegas will pay you to host the fight, and it will do more in ******** revenue in an hour than klitschko - joshua did at the gate. you can sell a 10K ringside seat in las vegas!

so joshua / hearn were offered not only a guarantee, but an upside / split.


just for some context, calzaghe vs hopkins did a bigger gate than joshua vs klitschko. and everybody worth listening to knew that the best LHW in the world was a kid named chad dawson, and hopkins and calzaghe were both over the hill! even eddie hearn knows the fight is bigger here.

it is what it is. i'm not goignto watch idly while somebody stares up at a blue sky and tells me it is red.

I don't have a horse in this race...

[juggernaut666]

AKA they know damn well showtime / cbs and al haymon had th emoney to put this thing on PPV in the states, and pay 50 million to joshua with an upside.

they turned down 50 million to keep the fight in the UK. they ahve almost no shot f making that in the UK and paying wilder what he deserves. it is what it is. eddie is ducking the fight for now.

he's goign to wait until the pot is a bit sweeter, and cash out in las vegas.

This post makes ZERO sense .

Hearn WANTS the fight in the U.S .


IF the terms are right for Joshua . Giving up promotional control for an amount he could just about make in two fights would be ridiculous and ****** .


The terms have to be right for Joshua bc HE is the one that makes it a mega fight NOT Wilder . They dont need eachother bc only ONE guy actually generates himself big bucks . smh


You continually ignore on here that Joshua makes LARGE paydays , Wilder isn't a necessity right now .And push fake news like they turned down 50 Million ? No they turned down a MYSTERY offer with no formal paper work .

The only one walking away from earning money would be the guy making 1.4 Million on avg .


How much a fighter makes IS leveraged into negotiating so your wrong about how much one makes doesnt dictate how they get payed .


Drawing power for this fight is speculation , so no...........


Team Wilder doesnt know if they will see a gain IF they paid Joshua 50 Million bc they also are going to have to pay the backer back with some financial profit .

On top of that about 10 Million on promotional services , Wilders team ( All 5 managers ) , staff ,etc , etc , .........

Thats OVER 60 Million NOT including Wilders pay . lol



The fight is projected below 50 or about 50 Million right now ..........


If this fight gets made next and its in Vegas id like to see Wilders pay check considering he thinks 12.5 Million was low and he could have turned that into 30 plus Million under Hearns offer . lol




Now come back like always and tell me how you dont expect me to understand the BUSINESS and only you can decipher the in between lines bc you are a business man !

[KnickTillDeaTh]

If you publish a confidential private communication without the permission of the originating party then you're abandoning commercial confidentiality and committing a serious breach of trust.

It's bizarre that you think this behaviour somehow forced Hearn to continue negotiating when it was Hearn who initiated negotiations in the first place?



Sure. Are you seriously arguing that more progress has been achieved by this method than it would've been by constant, private communication between the principals on either side? The business only gets done when this sort of behavior stops.

As for me, I've criticised both sides. Each of them have played to the gallery and made moves which would never result in a deal being made. Hearn has now toned down the baiting of Wilder's team and they've stopped conducting negotiations via social media and buddies in the press. Hopefully that's a good sign.

I don't think I need to respond anymore to your posts. It's pretty evident that you don't keep track of many boxing negotiations, with your inference that boxing deals get done only if negotiations are private. Also Hearn made an offer because he was exposed, or did you forget that Hearn asked for a meeting with Wilders people in NY to discuss AJ vs Wilder, but when he got to the meeting, he actually didn't bring up AJ, he tried to get Wilder to fight Whyte. Hearn lied about the meeting, he lied about the communication, and Wilders people exposed him, Hearn had to make an offer to save face. We can go on and on, like how an offer with out explicit details or request of confidentiality is not confidential, or why does it matter if Wilder and his people want their response to be transparent? It's their offer, they have the right to publicize it. As I said, Hearn got exposed and he made a decision in order to get the narrative back on track. So yes, if not for the willingness of Wilder and his people to go public, negotiations would still be at 12.5 million flat fee, oh yeah and the "it's more than he's ever made defense". Or how about "we won't over pay Wilder, we'll pay him what he's worth". Or how about "Sherry Winkle". Or "I've tried calling Wilders people but they won't respond", two day's later, "I've been talking with Wilders camp for weeks". Or "If this fight is worht $100 million, front me $50 million and I'll sign today". Every last one of these comments were lies and/or deception that got exposed through transparency, from looking like it won't get done, to looking like it will. I don't see how you argue against that.

[Thuglife Nelo]

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