Eddie hearn set to announce major u.s. Streaming partnership with dazn

[Eff Pandas]

Iron sharpens iron, which I agree with, but the mistake that the UFC made, imo, is that the success of their model was prefaced largely on having name fighters from other outfits come in, get ground up in fights, and then replaced with the next cast of outside talent; the UFC draws the fan's attention because no fighter sticks around long enough in the light to differentiate themselves from simply being a fighter.

Idk about all that. I think the UFC just puts two people in front of each other & says fight. Then the winner will fight some other guy who won when the UFC said fight. Keep matching up winners/guys on winning streak & eventually a star is created. Sometimes the old timey guy wins & keeps things moving or sometimes the new guy beats the old timey guy & the new guy does some alpha male sh^t to get a lil more intention.

PBC seems to go with that philosophy, but they're also being smart about it, imo. Erickson Lubin was moved along pretty aggressively, as were Julian Williams, Tony Harrison, Ryan Karl, and a host of other young fighters, to get a good idea of where he was at.

He gets stopped by Jermell Charlo in a tough fight, and everyone kept calm; he took some time off, came back against a durable guy who would let him work, will likely get another fight like that to make sure everything is straight, and will then likely get another fight against someone that's at the level that Jermell Charlo was, before being in tough fights until/if he gets beat again.

I think its too early to say if Lubin got ruined by that KO or any other guys for that matter. Often it can take awhile to retrace the steps back.

Records likely don't stay glossy forever, but you end up producing the best fighter possible.

I don't disagree, but I think most boxing fans do. Most boxing fans think the Arum method is the superior method.

3-5 years of padding fights is definitely excessive; rule of thumb caveat and all of that, but you truly only should need (depending on what the amateur experience was) 10-15 pro fights to figure out a general idea of what a fighter is working with. From then on in, you keep things competitive until you find out where the level is; if the fighter keeps winning, you keep raising the level.

Again you are preaching to the choir, but I don't think most boxing fans are on board with this thought process. Hard fights early = some guys will never get where they are going or the better guys won't stay up as high as they could've.

[Scipio2009]

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Randomly big fan of Spencer. Just threw him on a future title holder list in another thread. His lil bro is a bad motorscooter to, but is probably 4-6 years from turning pro.

But to the point there have always been 1-0 high level amateurs/promising pros on shows. I don't see how Haymon is doing anything groundbreaking there or why he'd have the market cornered. I mean 2016 was a pretty garbage year. I think "Also Ran" got most of the Olympic Team this go around unlike 2012 when Haymon did get them on lock. And Arum still came away with the prize of the US team, Shakur Stevenson, which if Haymon had them on lock for real wouldn't be happening.



I think I worded the bad PR thing badly here to have you go down a whole other hallway.

What I meant to say was that whole UFC model, iron sharpening iron, cream rises to the top means of building stars has a bad rep in boxing. I think there are many who've suggested it ruins fighters. Erikson Lubin being one such fighter mentioned as being ruined by some of the aggressive matchmaking that happens in the PBC between guys on the rise.

Boxing fans appear to believe the strategy of easing a boxer into slightly tougher & tougher matches while exposing him to different styles at a pace that'll take him from pro noob to title holder is about 3-5 years is the superior means of moving a fighter.

I mean Arum gets praised for days for that sh^t. But its a bs method of finding quality. What it does do is get promoters finding the best guys who can sell tickets & gets them cleverly maneuvered as much as needed to secure impressive wins & avoid rough challenging fights where an L could take place.

Meanwhile the real best guy in the division could be the 5th string guy in that same promoters weight division & never get a chance to prove himself as such til years later.

/rant cuz I was just ranting there for a lil while

The UFC is facing the problems that it's facing now for so aggressively following the "iron sharpens iron" philosophy to excess.

The UFC saw Sage Northcutt and Paige Van Zant, put the spotlight on them, and then ****ed it up.

Regardless of how good/not good you think they fight, there was enough tape on either fighter to get a sense for what their tools are and for what tools they don't have/might be able to develop.

And then match accordingly; match competively with acknowledging the holes. Once you're in the top 5, training wheels come off.

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I'm asking because you said nobody sits in front of the TV anymore. A firestick or android box still is connected to the TV.

People stream everything for the most part now but some who are not as tech savvy still use the old format because they don't understand the streaming stuff so that is how these Networks still get Standard Ratings.

But the YOUNG DEMO their HEADS are Buried in their Mobile Devices all day with the worst Attention Span so no they're not watching Stuff on a TV as much anymore if at all. Usually they're on a Computer or Mobile Device streaming Live.

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People stream everything for the most part now but some who are not as tech savvy still use the old format because they don't understand the streaming stuff so that is how these Networks still get Standard Ratings.

But the YOUNG DEMO their HEADS are Buried in their Mobile Devices all day with the worst Attention Span so no they're not watching Stuff on a TV as much anymore if at all. Usually they're on a Computer or Mobile Device streaming Live.

I still stream everything to my TV when I'm home. Even Youtube videos. I hate looking down at my phone or tablet to watch something

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Wtf is dazn.

Glad I'm not the only one. ^

This is the news that will "change boxing forever"??
If you Eddie Hearn mind****** STILL can't figure out that the guy is constantly bullshytting you, then there's no hope for you.

[Scipio2009]

Idk about all that. I think the UFC just puts two people in front of each other & says fight. Then the winner will fight some other guy who won when the UFC said fight. Keep matching up winners/guys on winning streak & eventually a star is created. Sometimes the old timey guy wins & keeps things moving or sometimes the new guy beats the old timey guy & the new guy does some alpha male sh^t to get a lil more intention.



I think its too early to say if Lubin got ruined by that KO or any other guys for that matter. Often it can take awhile to retrace the steps back.



I don't disagree, but I think most boxing fans do. Most boxing fans think the Arum method is the superior method.



Again you are preaching to the choir, but I don't think most boxing fans are on board with this thought process. Hard fights early = some guys will never get where they are going or the better guys won't stay up as high as they could've.

Then most fans are wrong. Almost won't matter anyway.

HBO is basically down to running PPV and the occasional card, Golden Boy has done little with their Corona time buy, and Top Rank on ESPN, to me, has left a lot to be desired.

With Showtime/CBS going strong, and my belief that a PBC-FOX/FS1 deal is still in the offing, you're going to continue with this generation of fans who have become accustomed to seeing only competitive fights.

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**** Eddie Hearn. Just announce the next reasons you don't want Joshua getting his punk ass beat by Wilder.

Announce that

[Eff Pandas]

Then most fans are wrong. Almost won't matter anyway.

HBO is basically down to running PPV and the occasional card, Golden Boy has done little with their Corona time buy, and Top Rank on ESPN, to me, has left a lot to be desired.

With Showtime/CBS going strong, and my belief that a PBC-FOX/FS1 deal is still in the offing, you're going to continue with this generation of fans who have become accustomed to seeing only competitive fights.

I think we are still too early in this whole thing to suggest PBC has created something fans are now accustomed to.

And like I said I think a nice % of fans think what PBC is doing is ****** & a waste. They think the names should be fighting while you Arum the rest of these guys to popularity over the next couple years.

While I disagree with that I do agree with the former part that feels the big names should have been fighting more. I want competitive fights from the prelims to the main event.

[Eff Pandas]

The UFC is facing the problems that it's facing now for so aggressively following the "iron sharpens iron" philosophy to excess.

The UFC saw Sage Northcutt and Paige Van Zant, put the spotlight on them, and then ****ed it up.

Regardless of how good/not good you think they fight, there was enough tape on either fighter to get a sense for what their tools are and for what tools they don't have/might be able to develop.

And then match accordingly; match competively with acknowledging the holes. Once you're in the top 5, training wheels come off.

Well I'd argue the issue with Northcutt & VanZant IS they put the spotlight on them too much. Iron sharpens iron, but iron shouldn't give a f#ck who wins. Thats the type of matchmaking I'm talking about. VanZant wins, cool, VanZant loses, cool. But when you invest in VanZant's success thats when you are doing it wrong I'd argue.

Randomly I think Rose is a great example of iron sharpening iron & how L's should work. Rose took some L's early on. She learned more. She got better. She started winning fights. She got a title shot. She won a belt. But the UFC didn't give any f#cks if she won or loss at any point in her career & they shouldn't. Stars make themselves. You can force it, but they'll never be the star they could've made themselves and finding their own narrative & trajectory in the sport which best made them the fighter they are now.

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Well I'd argue the issue with Northcutt & VanZant IS they put the spotlight on them too much. Iron sharpens iron, but iron shouldn't give a f#ck who wins. Thats the type of matchmaking I'm talking about. VanZant wins, cool, VanZant loses, cool. But when you invest in VanZant's success thats when you are doing it wrong I'd argue.

Randomly I think Rose is a great example of iron sharpening iron & how L's should work. Rose took some L's early on. She learned more. She got better. She started winning fights. She got a title shot. She won a belt. But the UFC didn't give any f#cks if she won or loss at any point in her career & they shouldn't. Stars make themselves. You can force it, but they'll never be the star they could've made themselves and finding their own narrative & trajectory in the sport which best made them the fighter they are now.

Hi I'm new to boxingscene but I actually believe that the ufc and pbc will start promoting fighters using a more local approach this way you can get peoples attention even if they aren't mega stars or even if the fighters lose