I'll explain why Eddie Hearn is full of **** with this contract talk.

[Robbie Barrett]

NOT TRUE. Please show me one interview where Hearn said he'd accept the 50 million if the details were kosher. You can't. All he's said is that it's interesting, not that he'd actually accept.

You said you work in the business. So what's your view on this? Is waiting until the day before the fight to sign contracts standard?

You said you're here to correct people, get to work.

My opinion is you don't ****ing know because you're full of ****.

[Robbie Barrett]

Kenny Porter explains how boxing contracts work. You don't receive a contract until the day before or the day of the fight.

You sign a bout agreement agreeing to the fight and you work in the details of the contract. They aren't even asking Hearn to do that. They're asking for a verbal agreement. Even if AJ did sign a bout agreement that still doesn't mean he has to go thru with the fight. Just like Jessie Vargas signed his bout agreement with Top Rank to fight Brook but Brook never signed his and ended up fighting GGG

I signed my part of the deal a month ago but things have changed and I want to update and apologize to my fans. The date for my next fight has been changed do to the fact that Brook is having trouble signing his end of the deal. Thank you for your support and I will keep you informed. #teamvargas @dcblackkobra #wbo #unification #fight #boxing real_water

A post shared by Jessie Vargas (@jessievargas_) on Jun 29, 2016 at 3:37pm PDT

A contract is fluid and details of the contract can change all the way up to the day of the fight. When fighters miss weight the contract is changed. Floyd changed the contract to pay Maidana not to wear gloves approved by the commission.

This is without a doubt the most ******ed thing I've ever read on this website, and thats saying ALOT.

Fighters dont sign contracts until fight week????? LOL, yeah, that would be a GREAT system. Jeez........

This is why novices should not speak about things they know nothing about.

First off, A bout contract is signed as soon as the fight terms are agreed to. The contract is written up by the lead promoter, and sent to the other fighters team for immediate signature. The idea that a lead promoter would wait until fight week for a signed contract is beyond ******ed.

The contracts that get signed during fight week are only the specific bout contracts that the particular state the fight is being held in require. Those forms typically only stipulate rounds, weight, and money. The states have no interest in things like options on next fights, who walks first, rematch language, merchandise splits, library rights, whose banners go on the light grid, and all the other terms that the ACTUAL bout contract stipulate.

Secondly, a contract is NOT fluid. It is absolute. Details of a contract CANNOT change. Sure, a new contract can be drafted and the existing one voided if all parties agree, but the initial contract is certainly not "fluid".

Floyd did not "change" the contract, he simply offered Maidana money to sign a new one. Had Maidana refused, the initial contract would have still stood.


And lastly, nobody signs a contract and "works in the details later". That is just laughable. One might sign a letter of intent or something similar, but only a complete ****** would sign a contract without every single detail already agreed to.

Damn Terry just completely destroyed you MCC. I think you should stop getting your info from thaboxingvoice.

[Robbie Barrett]

Is MCC Nes from ThaBoxingVoice?



"are you off your tits, have you been smoking something?"

[Outwest Exp 355]

How I wish this was a real thing. Lol, unfortunately people today still meet to discuss potential agreements, brainstorm, read body language and reactions to ideas. Having a normal conversation flow in which people are less likely to ignore counter arguments and are basically forced to finish the conversation is more conducive towards coming to an agreement than texting, email, phone conversations, or video conferences.

What's the problem with meeting? Eventually more details will need to be ironed out, why not work on it sooner than later?

With all this bickering back and forth to the press I’m starting to think both sides are in on it together. A way to create even more hype. Think about it this is all anyone’s talked about for the last week. And in Shelly’s first email they were talking about an October fight. Plenty of time to make a deal.

[OnePunch]

With all this bickering back and forth to the press I’m starting to think both sides are in on it together. A way to create even more hype. Think about it this is all anyone’s talked about for the last week. And in Shelly’s first email they were talking about an October fight. Plenty of time to make a deal.

except it would be a wasted effort. The people that are reading all this are the hardcore fans who ALREADY are interested in the fight. The mainstream press (which is necessary to capture casuals) couldnt care less about this nonsense, and are not covering it.

[N/A]

You said you work in the business.

Yes. I've worked behind the scenes in combat sports for 20 years.

So what's your view on this? Is waiting until the day before the fight to sign contracts standard?

Standard? No. Common? Yes. Especially for in house fights, where all sorts of financial manipulation takes place to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

My opinion is you don't ****ing know because you're full of ****.

Bet me.

[lizard_man]

This is without a doubt the most ******ed thing I've ever read on this website, and thats saying ALOT.

Fighters dont sign contracts until fight week????? LOL, yeah, that would be a GREAT system. Jeez........

This is why novices should not speak about things they know nothing about.

First off, A bout contract is signed as soon as the fight terms are agreed to. The contract is written up by the lead promoter, and sent to the other fighters team for immediate signature. The idea that a lead promoter would wait until fight week for a signed contract is beyond ******ed.

The contracts that get signed during fight week are only the specific bout contracts that the particular state the fight is being held in require. Those forms typically only stipulate rounds, weight, and money. The states have no interest in things like options on next fights, who walks first, rematch language, merchandise splits, library rights, whose banners go on the light grid, and all the other terms that the ACTUAL bout contract stipulate.

Secondly, a contract is NOT fluid. It is absolute. Details of a contract CANNOT change. Sure, a new contract can be drafted and the existing one voided if all parties agree, but the initial contract is certainly not "fluid".

Floyd did not "change" the contract, he simply offered Maidana money to sign a new one. Had Maidana refused, the initial contract would have still stood.


And lastly, nobody signs a contract and "works in the details later". That is just laughable. One might sign a letter of intent or something similar, but only a complete ****** would sign a contract without every single detail already agreed to.

Nice to hear from someone who's actually promoted fights before. So what's your opinion on this whole Hearn Finkel ordeal? Who really wants the fight, who doesn't? Who's trying to fool the public with bs because they think fans have no clue what really goes on behind the scenes to get a fight made. Since you know what really does go on, tell us who really doesn't want the fight.

[OnePunch]

Nice to hear from someone who's actually promoted fights before. So what's your opinion on this whole Hearn Finkel ordeal? Who really wants the fight, who doesn't? Who's trying to fool the public with bs because they think fans have no clue what really goes on behind the scenes to get a fight made. Since you know what really does go on, tell us who really doesn't want the fight.

BOTH sides want the fight, its just a question of WHEN they want it, and if it makes sense to do it next. It usually comes down to who can hold out longer, and based on attendance numbers, I suspect AJ can hold out longer. He can sell 50,000 tickets in the UK fighting the Fedex guy. He doesnt really "need" Wilder. But its a huge fight, with huge money, and Im sure they want it.

Both sides are posturing at this point, and having a "who has the biggest ****" contest. Fights of this magnitude NEVER get made on twitter, or in the media. They get made when both parties get serious about getting it done. Based on what I've been reading the past few weeks, I dont think either side is REALLY focused on getting it done next. If they were actually serious, we wouldnt be hearing all this nonsense.......


Edit: the one thing that is interesting to me in all this is hearing Shelly Finkel talking some smack. Ive known Shelly since back before Lacy even turned pro, and he hardly ever says a word to the media. He's like the Wizard of Oz, just the cat behind the curtain making things happen. So its interesting to see him taking a more public position here......

[Curt Henning]

except it would be a wasted effort. The people that are reading all this are the hardcore fans who ALREADY are interested in the fight. The mainstream press (which is necessary to capture casuals) couldnt care less about this nonsense, and are not covering it.

wilders 50 mil offer was a front page headline on espn.com...not on the boxing page...the main page

[OnePunch]

wilders 50 mil offer was a front page headline on espn.com...not on the boxing page...the main page

Thats pretty cool, I dont really read that site so I didnt see it. Are they following all this petty bickering too, or just the initial offer?