I think a lot of people owe Canelo an apology

[travestyny]

Of course it makes sense. He was tested 2 weeks before he expected to be tested, so maybe he was recycling having lost whatever weight he wanted.

I don’t see a strong case because:

1; it’s now clear that hair follicle tests are inconclusive
2: where did he buy the meat?
3: Is the other meat from that batch tainted?
4: Reciepts for purchase.

But again. It’s a mute point. He had the ped in him and received an extremely lenient penalty. Had he been given a year ban and a hefty fine, he could try and argue a lower sentence. Now it’s just meh.

I don't agree with you on your first point. Many users of Clen say that they gain weight back rapidly when they stop using. It's like you're saying he used Clen just to get into "2 month out weight." I supposed that's possible, but c'mon. It's a bit foolish.

I haven't looked into hair follicle tests, but just the fact that the lab did the test shows that it can be of some use. Again, plenty of experts have vouched for him and the hair test was negative. I don't think it's conclusive, but it makes a very good case.

But I do agree with you that in the end, it's meh. He was suspended. It's pretty much over. People will believe what they want no matter what information is presented, apparently. Even those calling for the hair test are now saying it doesn't matter (that isn't aimed at you, but just what I've read around these parts).

[siablo14]

I don't mind reading the stuff these guys get their ideas from, man.. I'm plenty secure in my beliefs and I like to know what I'm arguing against, but honestly I only have so much time to go around and I've read enough of that kinda thing in the past to know it ain't really worth the time I'd have to put into it.

True words.........

[maracho]

Dude, just shut up already. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and I've proven that every single time we've had a conversation.

Go back to thinking WADA conducts testing and that SMRTL messed up a marijuana test twice when Quest Diagnostics not only got Diaz test wrong, but they also fuucked up his opponents test on the same damn day. Even Kevin Iole called anyone who sided with Quest essentially a moron.

Then go back to saying you get permanent benefits from doing Clenbuterol.

Then go back to believing the Philippines has an accredited WADA lab.

I can go on and on. You've embarrassed yourself because either you are on some kind of drugs, or you just aren't very bright.

Haha I see you skipped most of our argument

Ah so you finally admit that WADA Salt Lake couldnt even find abundant marijuana,

You have now willfully failed to understand epigenetic muscle memory and the fact that clenbuterol binds to muscle cells and stimulates muscle protein synthesis, which is why it also helps you preserve muscle while cutting.

You moron. What the actual fuuck does any of that have to do with you being wrong about the Philippines having a WADA accredited lab.

You are the one that said that PHILADA/ Philippine Antidoping Agency was a ADO like USADA and that USADA would test Manny. Yoy dont seem to know what a lab is. Its a place that does scientific enquiry

Bottom line ..Canelo coaches Eddy and Chepo Reynoso own their own meat markets and according to prefight videos do most of Canelo's cooking. These videos and images have mysteriously disappeared just like Oscars steers

[4truth]

I want an apology from Canelo for having neglected to sign up with VADA for testing.

Still not testing!

[superfansaints]

This is all BS. Why use blood as a sample when all we needed is hair. Canelo is a cheater. Cheating judges and cheating fighters. All assume we are ******.

[HeadShots]

I don't agree with you on your first point. Many users of Clen say that they gain weight back rapidly when they stop using. It's like you're saying he used Clen just to get into "2 month out weight." I supposed that's possible, but c'mon. It's a bit foolish.

I haven't looked into hair follicle tests, but just the fact that the lab did the test shows that it can be of some use. Again, plenty of experts have vouched for him and the hair test was negative. I don't think it's conclusive, but it makes a very good case.

But I do agree with you that in the end, it's meh. He was suspended. It's pretty much over. People will believe what they want no matter what information is presented, apparently. Even those calling for the hair test are now saying it doesn't matter (that isn't aimed at you, but just what I've read around these parts).

"Many users of Clen say that they gain weight back rapidly when they stop using......."

that's a sound argument there.


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Single motherhood has destroyed the boys.

[travestyny]

Haha I see you skipped most of our argument

Ah so you finally admit that WADA Salt Lake couldnt even find abundant marijuana,

You moron. Maybe Kevin Iole can explain this to your Simple Simon a$$.

He was tested three times on Jan. 31, twice by the World Anti-Doping Agency-accredited Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL) in Salt Lake City and once by Quest Diagnostics.

Quest isn’t accredited by WADA.

Middlebrook was masterful building a case that the positive sample from the Quest test should be ignored.

It’s clearly ludicrous to suspend one guy for a year for using a performance-enhancing drug and another guy five years for smoking marijuana. And that’s if you agree about the validity of the test result from Quest, which Middlebrook managed to make look extremely suspect.

The burden is on the commission to prove its case and it woefully failed to meet it on this day.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/cruel-and-unusual--nevada-commission-s-five-year-ban-on-nick-diaz-is-abuse-of-authority-011623706-mma.html

and here...

Nevada alleged that Diaz failed a marijuana test administered to him after his bout with Anderson Silva at UFC 183 in January. Though it failed to prove it – there were two tests that appeared to exonerate Diaz that Nevada chose to ignore – it penalized him anyway.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/settlement-talks-with-nick-diaz-suggest-commission-went-too-far-with-suspension-213514804.html

So feel free to side with Quest labs, who also got Andersen Silva's test wrong. You know...Nate Diaz Opponent. ON THE SAME FVVCKIGN DAY, YOU MORON!

According to Jorge Correa of the Brazilian blog Na Grade do MMA, the former Middleweight champion submitted two urine samples on Jan. 31, 2015, two minutes apart. The first sample was submitted to Quest Diagnostics and the second to Sports Medicine Research & Testing Laboratory. The second test came back positive and was sent to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC).

But, here's where it gets really weird. The first sample was negative.

https://www.mmamania.com/2015/6/26/8849747/photo-proof-anderson-silva-ufc-183-drug-test-postive-negative-nick-diaz

BY THE WAY....ANDERSON SILVA ADMIT TO TAKING THE DRUG. NOW SHUT THE FVVCK UP!

You have now willfully failed to understand epigenetic muscle memory and the fact that clenbuterol binds to muscle cells and stimulates muscle protein synthesis, which is why it also helps you preserve muscle while cutting.

I told you. Provide the proof that using Clenbuterol gives PERMANENT EFFECTS. You haven't shown any proof of such a ******ed statement!

You are the one that said that PHILADA/ Philippine Antidoping Agency was a ADO like USADA

YOU ARE THE IDIOT THAT SAID IT'S A FVVCKING LAB. THERE IS NO WADA LAB IN THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!

That's impossible since there is not a WADA accredited laboratory in every country.

For example, there is no WADA accredited laboratory in The Philippines.

Yeah its called PHILADA or Philipne antidoping Agency

How else do you think they are going to do ransom testing on all these athletes, fly them all back forth to Utah?..lol

ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG, YOU DUMMY!

Bottom line ..Canelo coaches Eddy and Chepo Reynoso own their own meat markets and according to prefight videos do most of Canelo's cooking. These videos and images have mysteriously disappeared just like Oscars steers

Bottom line is you are a moron and you need to shut the fvvck up about shlt you don't understand. I'm tired of wasting time embarrassing you!!!!

[travestyny]

"Many users of Clen say that they gain weight back rapidly when they stop using......."

that's a sound argument there.






Single motherhood has destroyed the boys.

Perhaps it's too much for your simple a$$ to understand.

Clenbuterol Weight Gain
Despite the fact that the list of potential side-effects induced by clenbuterol is long and in perhaps life-threatening, there is one side-effect that is probably of most interest to those wanting to lose weight. In the long-term clenbuterol is known to suddenly lose its efficacy and cause rapid weight gain – possibly due to the effects it has had on the users metabolism. It is thought that this can happen as quickly as after 3 – 4 weeks.

http://www.superskinnyme.com/clenbuterol-side-effects.html

CLENBUTEROL: FIRST CYCLE: Im Gaining Weight !!

https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/clenbuterol-first-cycle-im-gaining-weight-!!-240012.html

Is it normal to gain weight gain after the first 2 weeks of Clen?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weigh...ain-after.html

Ive come off my 2 weeks of clen and test cycle, staying off clen for 1 week, then going back on 2 weeks, however, during my week off of clen, ive gained about 5 pounds, is this water retention ive regained? and whilse i was on the clen, did it prevent me gaining water?? im pretty sure its not fat because ive still kept my diet clean..

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/405466-weight-gain-coming-off-clen.html

For the guys who have used clen - do you notice that it is harder to continue to lose weight after stopping clen or during off time to let your receptors recouperate - ie does your body get used to the extra calories it is burning while on clen then when you come off it you then plateau or gain weight even if you try to continue to lose weight?

https://www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-dieting-contest-preparation/23924-clen-rebound-fat-gain

Go look up "Clen Rebound." That may help you.

Now explain why the hell he would be cycling off of it 2 months out and how that would help him during training camp. Keep in mind the 3 experts that vouched for him, and that hair test that many of you were asking for, yea.

[maracho]

You moron. Maybe Kevin Iole can explain this to your Simple Simon a$$.




and here...



So feel free to side with Quest labs, who also got Andersen Silva's test wrong. You know...Nate Diaz Opponent. ON THE SAME FVVCKIGN DAY, YOU MORON!




BY THE WAY....ANDERSON SILVA ADMIT TO TAKING THE DRUG. NOW SHUT THE FVVCK UP!



I told you. Provide the proof that using Clenbuterol gives PERMANENT EFFECTS. You haven't shown any proof of such a ******ed statement!



YOU ARE THE IDIOT THAT SAID IT'S A FVVCKING LAB. THERE IS NO WADA LAB IN THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!

ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG, YOU DUMMY!

Bottom line is you are a moron and you need to shut the fvvck up about shlt you don't understand. I'm tired of wasting time embarrassing you!!!!

we talking wada and your attempt to drag this into another tangent like Quest lab aint gonna work

You insisted floyd called for usada testing but now say they dont test . USADA might be too cheap for CIR but they charge fighters realy big bucks to take samples for scientific enquiry, which is what a lab does. Do they use subcontractors and task forces etc and send samples off for more detailed work, a yeah which is why chain of custody keeps coming up

Bottom line is that hey are evil but you still wanna be all up in bed with them. For example when Russian athleted whistleblew on their guborial ped pushers, gues what WADA did? Nothing but snitched them out to the gubers

[travestyny]

we talking wada and your attempt to drag this into another tangent like Quest lab aint gonna work

That's how dumb you are. You don't even realize that YOU brought up Quest labs because you were talking about Nate Diaz. Who do you think was the lab that had the whopping 700ng of marijuana against the two much lower levels that the WADA lab found, imbecile.

You insisted floyd called for usada testing but now say they dont test . USADA might be too cheap for CIR but they charge fighters realy big bucks to take samples for scientific enquiry, which is what a lab does. Do they use subcontractors and task forces etc and send samples off for more detailed work, a yeah which is why chain of custody keeps coming up

Bottom line is that hey are evil but you still wanna be all up in bed with them. For example when Russian athleted whistleblew on their guborial ped pushers, gues what WADA did? Nothing but snitched them out to the gubers

You must be trolling because you can't be this ******. You are the one that says they could use WADA for testing instead of USADA imbecile. I told you that WADA doesn't test. Why don't you let USADA explain it to you:

Here you are clearly stating that Pacquiao agreed to using WADA instead of USADA:

He agreed to using wada, which was typical for foriegn athletes and very wise due to the notoriously bad and biased track record of usada and travis tygart

Here is USADA explaining that if you want WADA guidelines followed in the US, you have to use USADA since it is the WADA signatory operating in the United States.

Question:
Well, last year, USADA was involved with one of Floyd Mayweather's fights, and now you guys are involved in another one of his fights coming up later this year. Recently, Bob Arum, the promoter for Manny Pacquiao, stated that he's concerned about the neutrality of USADA, so he would actually prefer for WADA to handle all testing if Mayweather and Pacquiao were to ever fight. I was just curious, does WADA actually conduct testing on their own?

Summary of full answer:
"WADA does not have the infrastructure to actually conduct testing themselves. They don't have what we call 'Doping Control Officers' that specifically work for them to go out and perform the tests as USADA does. Typically what will happen if WADA was ever to decide they wanted to have somebody tested, they would work with the anti-doping organization in whichever country or area that that testing would be conducted by...I think it's really important to understand that WADA certainly oversees, internationally, the programs that happen, but the actual implementation of tests is usually conducted by the Anti-Doping Organizations for that country,"

AGAIN, You are WRONG. You cannot try to use WADA instead of USADA in the United States. WADA DOES NOT conduct tests. USADA is the WADA signatory that carries out testing in the United States. Let it go! You're dumb as bricks. Stop quoting me because your ******ity is honestly annoying as fvvck.


By the way, USADA does CIR testing:

According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commisison, each man [Mayweather and Pacquiao] gave 11 urine and eight blood samples. Among the special analyses given to the samples were Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (CIR/IRMS) testing as well as tests to detect usage of EPO and human growth hormone.

Give up. I'm tired of proving you wrong just for you to come back with another misunderstanding. Either you're a troll....or you are Spoon level dumb. I won't waste my time with you any longer.