I expected VADA to be involved in Canelo's hair testing.

[Robbie Barrett]

Did this motherphuker Maxi Pad just say the negative test is not even Canelo's hair? LMAO
You do realize hair contains DNA right? This is phuking accredited WADA but they can't tell the difference if it's Canelo's hair or not. lol Golden Boy pulling a fast one went to the zoo and grabbed red hair from an a orangutan. That's the story you peddling now after you look like a phuking clown demanding Canelo take this test and now saying it's a conspiracy and they swapping Canelo's hair out just to make him look good? And if that were the case why not switch out his urine back in feb with someone else's to make it go away? This is embarrassing sometimes you just got to admit you were wrong instead of doubling down making a fool out yourself even more.

If the Canelo negative test result has you spinning even crazier conspiracy theories instead of accepting the result, you may have a reality problem. #boxing

— Gabriel Montoya™ (@Gabriel_Montoya) April 27, 2018

i honestly believe Montoya saw Maxi's thread and replied.

[Boxing42]

Conspiracy Theorist?

Well, I'm not a GGG stan, as I criticize GGG all the time.

This has nothing to do with GGG< doe..

This has to do with Canelo. And this simply doesn't convince me Canelo did not intentionally try to ingest Clenbuterol to get a competitive advantage.



There has been a push in some quarters to use the “hair test” in order to convict or clear Canelo. To hear it told, this hair test is the answer to every question. In reality, hair testing for clenbuterol isn’t used for a reason; it’s incredibly unreliable.

The amount of clenbuterol that shows up in hair varies massively depending on factors like hair color. One study gave a group of people the same amount of clenbuterol. One participant, a 27-year-old female, showed 23 ng/g of clenbuterol in her hair afterwards. Another participant, also a 27-year-old female, showed 161 ng/g of clenbuterol in her hair. They both took the exact same amount, but one had seven times as much in her sample. The suggested reason for this discrepancy? The women had different hair color. This hair color discrepancy was supported by the other data in the study.

That might sound ridiculous, but other studies have found the same thing.

Another study, with more participants, found that even among subjects with similar hair color, the variation is still large. Despite every subject having hair listed as “brown” or “dark brown”, this study also found significant variation:

The lowest detected amount of clenbuterol in the first segment of hair was 0.43 pg/ng, the largest amount was 4.76 pg/ng. Both of these subjects had hair classed as “brown,” and both took the same amount of clenbuterol in the same way. That’s a difference of an entire order of magnitude. A similar issue was found in the second segments, which ranged from a detected amount of 0.00 pg/ng to 0.86 pg/ng.

Tests that have results varying by so much even under a controlled conditions are not reliable tests. The idea that they would somehow give us the information we need to determine if Canelo accidentally or deliberately ingested clenbuterol is ridiculous.


see - under controlled conditions they ingested the exact same amount and were tested at the same time - one showed .8, and the other showed NOTHING. ZERO. ZILCH.

Don’t wanna read all that, but I’m pretty sure you’re pointing out inefficiencies of hair testing. Normal tests have inefficiencies too and canelos trace amounts were always consistent with meat but we can’t prove INTENT

[Metho_4u]

Flip flopping and conspiracy theories. You pathetic little turd.

Canelo is in the clear. You said it yourself, don't be backtracking now. Coward.

This, it's fantastic to watch people do this stuff LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! I love it.

[Metho_4u]

Maxi, maybe you could ask for one of canelo's b@ll hairs and test it yourself!

[jdp28tx]

Flip flopping and conspiracy theories. You pathetic little turd.

Canelo is in the clear. You said it yourself, don't be backtracking now. Coward.

No ****. Canelo haters are so blinded by their pathetic hatred they make up insane **** that only their fellow conspiracy theorist, tin foil hat wearing morons could believe. And then they list a bunch of nutty accusations that they think are actually clever and insightful. For example, "oh, the hair that was tested could be someone else's". This idiot who posted this thread does not have the ability to think through simple testing procedures which means that Canelo's hair sample was taken and witnessed by testing officials.

[Redd Foxx]

i honestly believe Montoya saw Maxi's thread and replied.

It's nice to see how far he's come. Maxi's threads are backfiring on a global level now.

[jdp28tx]

The studies I posted about showed a case, where under controlled conditions, two people took the exact same amount of Clen., and were tested at the exact same time.

Guess what? One person literally had NOTHING in her hair; that's right, not a damn thing showed up. While the other subject had .86 (ironically, pretty close to how much Canelo had in his system on the first FAILED TEST hahaha)

That right there is case closed - it shows how unreliable the testing is.

Thanks, doe!! That's all!! NEEXXXXTTTTT

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 2 people tested is not a study. A study consists of dozens to hundreds of people. A study has a control arm, a study has a complete criteria with specific end points in comparison to your example of only 2 people. Plus we know none of the details about how this "study" was conducted. So in sum, your example is a ****ty example and comparison thus is carries absolutely no weight in regards to Canelo's situation.

[Cheek busting]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 2 people tested is not a study. A study consists of dozens to hundreds of people. A study has a control arm, a study has a complete criteria with specific end points in comparison to your example of only 2 people. Plus we know none of the details about how this "study" was conducted. So in sum, your example is a ****ty example and comparison thus is carries absolutely no weight in regards to Canelo's situation.

The study had a lot morw than 2 people.

Try harder.

When i grt back to my laptop ill link it to you..

Or u can google search for "canelo hair test bloodyelbow" and see it's the article bloody elbow wrote ( actuslly they wrote it BEFORE canelo announced hair test)

[icha]

The study had a lot morw than 2 people.

Try harder.

When i grt back to my laptop ill link it to you..

you and your laptop are going to get conte and heredia fired,lol... keep diggin...

[Cheek busting]

you and your laptop are going to get conte and heredia fired,lol... keep diggin...

Here we go!

http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/42/11/1869.short

AND
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25388545

notes from the second study:
For the application study, a total dosage of 30 µg clenbuterol was applied to 20 healthy volunteers on 5 subsequent days. One month after the beginning of the application, clenbuterol was detected in the proximal hair segment (0-1 cm) in concentrations between 0.43 and 4.76 pg/mg. For the second part, samples of 66 Mexican soccer players were analyzed. In 89% of these volunteers, clenbuterol was detectable in their hair at concentrations between 0.02 and 1.90 pg/mg. A comparison of both parts showed no statistical difference between sub-the****utic application and contamination. In contrast, discrimination to a typical abuse of clenbuterol is apparently possible


So basically, there is such a huge variation of Clen detected EVEN WHEN conditions are strictly controlled!

Basically, hair testing is very unreliable. And keep in mind, this was after only ONE MONTH. Canelo didn't test his hair until a month and a half.

So while "it CAN detect up to 90 days" it doesn't mean THAT IT WILL. Just like a urine test for marijuana - sure - it CAN detect/stay in your system for over a month, but the longer and longer you take the test from when consumed, the less accurate/less likely it will be to detect anything.

This pretty much ends the debate about this hair test meaning anything. Which is why the NSAC said "cool, and thanks, but you're still