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  • Stinger1
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    #21
    Shows how clueless some of the morons are on here. Eddie doesn't pick the opponents, the trainers and managers do. Eddie says I can pay you x for that opponent and y for that opponent and then the fighter, trainer and manager will choose the opponent. Virgil Hunter picked Lo Greco for Khan, not Eddie. Eddie is about the only promoter who works for his fighters and not vice versa and that's why he's the best in the game.

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    • sore_back
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      #22
      Originally posted by Stinger1
      Shows how clueless some of the morons are on here. Eddie doesn't pick the opponents, the trainers and managers do. Eddie says I can pay you x for that opponent and y for that opponent and then the fighter, trainer and manager will choose the opponent. Virgil Hunter picked Lo Greco for Khan, not Eddie. Eddie is about the only promoter who works for his fighters and not vice versa and that's why he's the best in the game.
      They work together to pick the opponents which is actually what you said, so I'm not sure why you're calling other people morons.

      Clearly its a tactic of his to help hype his fighters which is why it happens for lots of them who have different trainers / managers.

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      • Kezzer
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        #23
        Personally most of he time I look forward to eddie hearns cards the most as usually he has several decent fights. It doesn’t always materialise and sometimes you have big names (Ortiz for example) do real dud fights. That can happen to any card if we are honest though.

        But just take joshuas undercwrds as an example, there are usually 6-7 fights on and 2-3 people are keen to see. Sometimes they are on paper one sided (e.g povetkin price) sometimes they are really close (eg. Whyte chisora) but probably with the exception of klitschko Joshua (which I wasn’t that impressed with) generally there has always been good stuff.

        David Haye has limited number of fighters but all have a bit of intrigue so worth noting that the Bellew Haye card is likely to have some real good action - I haven’t actually looked/heard who is on it yet though.

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        • EnglishOxide
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          #24
          David Haye v Tony Bellew
          John Ryder v Jamie Cox
          Paul Butler v Emmanuel Rodriguez (IBF World Title)
          Martin Ward v James Tennyson (EBU, WBA International)
          Joe Joyce v Lenroy Thomas (Commonwealth title)
          Joshua Buatsi v TBA
          Willy Hutchinson v TBA
          Jordan Gill v TBA
          Michael 'Venom' Page v TBA

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mammoth
            Khan and Brook look like monsters right now. That fight is marketable again. Good job, Eddie!
            Smoke and mirrors, that's all!

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              #26
              Originally posted by sore_back
              I'm not saying he doesn't put on good fights. Of course he does, he has to because those are usually the ones where he gets paid. The problem is all the cr*ppy fights he uses to build up those fights. e.g every Brook fight (except for Spence/ Golovkin) are against mostly the same style of **** come forward Eastern Europeans who can't box.

              I'm not hating on him, he does have a lot of restrictions on who he can get over here, so that makes it hard. But it's just so boring when the sport is so formulaic and predictable.

              I agree with the bit in bold btw, my point was just that his fighters mostly don't live up to the hype that he manages to create in some people.
              I think you're in danger of criticising him for doing his job!

              He has to perform a balancing act like any promoter. He has to give his boxers fights that will help them progress and not damage their marketability, or more importantly their health.

              He also has to deliver fights that boxing fans want to see, which inevitably involve risk.

              The two are not neccesarily aligned but he has to please both if he's to be a lasting success.

              On the whole as the list posted above suggests he's doing a good job of providing some very entertaining, high profile matchups. The price that the fan pays is the occasional stinker like that London beef rubbish or feeding that guy to Conor benn.

              Although having said all that, this weekend Frank warren delivered a far stronger nights entertainment, so although I think you're a little harsh on EH he's definitely not beyond criticism...

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                #27
                Originally posted by sore_back
                what a c*ck.

                He just uses the same tactic over and over again: pick the easiest stylistic opponent or most overhyped fighter for his fighters to face, so that he can go: "Look how quickly my guy knocked out X!" Of course all promoters do this, but nobody does this as much a Hearn imo.

                He did the same thing with Quigg, Callum Smith, Kell Brook and Crolla, who were all hyped up at some point, and I'm sure there are lots more too.

                Then, when it finally comes time to step up, they get outclassed/ perform way worse than expected, because they're not fighting guys that are tailor made for them.

                And I bet it's going to be the same with Dillian Whyte too, because his win over Browne was basically the same thing imo.

                I hope you're looking forward to this, America!
                You're a ****ing mong.. not a single example you listed actually fit your accusations lol.

                Brook got easy meat early in his career with FRANK WARREN...
                When he signed with Eddie he beat porter..faced poor opposition in MANDATORIES and then fought golovkin and spence back to back

                Crolla got easy meat and got beaten with FRANK WARREN...when he went with Eddie he fought Farley's Perez twice back to back.. then took on barroso when everyone said he'd lose. Lol. He then lost against Linares twice. .so how is that easy touches?!?

                When has Callum Smith been fed buns that are well beneath his stature at any point in his career that others haven't? You think it was uncle Eddie that got him his opponents to reach the final of WBSS?

                Quigg? Wtf are you about? He literally just fought and lost in a title fight and only fought fringe levels after hiatus'. Funnily enough after getting injuries like in his frampton loss.

                Dillian Whyte signed to matchroom after he fought AJ... Since then he's had shoulder surgery and two fights to ease that injury back in..then fought a known gatekeeper chisora in a FOTY contender... Then fought a multiple time EBU champion who never wanted to throw and a former world champion that people on here thought would be a challenge before they saw his belly. Who else is he supposed to fight in his position when he's now WBC #1 and could fight for mandatory for the IBF?

                Fair enough youre a Hearn hater.. but at least back it up with solid facts.
                Last edited by yammy25; 04-24-2018, 05:41 AM.

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                • soul_survivor
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by sore_back
                  what a c*ck.

                  He just uses the same tactic over and over again: pick the easiest stylistic opponent or most overhyped fighter for his fighters to face, so that he can go: "Look how quickly my guy knocked out X!" Of course all promoters do this, but nobody does this as much a Hearn imo.

                  He did the same thing with Quigg, Callum Smith, Kell Brook and Crolla, who were all hyped up at some point, and I'm sure there are lots more too.

                  Then, when it finally comes time to step up, they get outclassed/ perform way worse than expected, because they're not fighting guys that are tailor made for them.

                  And I bet it's going to be the same with Dillian Whyte too, because his win over Browne was basically the same thing imo.

                  I hope you're looking forward to this, America!
                  You use some terrible examples.

                  Quigg was a legitimate world champion at super bantam, beat a very game Munroe for the interim title and then fought guys like Salinas and Kiko before fighting Frampton, a fight between the two best super bantams out there (rigo can go *** himself with his inactivity and inability to fight anyone of note). When exactly did Quigg have an easy string of fights?

                  Callum Smith is currently in the final of the super middle tourney, beaten some good fighters, had to tough it out and outside of Groves, DeGale, probably the best super middle around.

                  Crolla fought in a unification, toughed it out in a close first fight with LInares (the best in the division) and hasnt had an easy fight in years, I think his easiest fight was probably Rees way way back, and even then Rees was a decent domestic pro.

                  You could say that about brook who wasted his IBF title reign but alas, it is what it is.

                  And Whyte currently has one of the best heavyweight resumes going, a loss to AJ (who wilder avoids like the plague) a win over a then still world level chisora and will likely fight Pulev, a world level heavyweight.

                  no idea what rubbish you're spouting.

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                  • soul_survivor
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                    #29
                    And this thread in the wake of one of the most one sided cards in recent times over on Haymon world. Charlo, since facing Trout has had 3 cake walks, one against a disable man. Davis just fought a man coming out of retirement...the top dogs at welter are yet to fight each other and the claim is Hearn is the worst at cherry picking opponents? cmon man

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                    • Cheek busting
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by soul_survivor
                      You use some terrible examples.

                      Quigg was a legitimate world champion at super bantam, beat a very game Munroe for the interim title and then fought guys like Salinas and Kiko before fighting Frampton, a fight between the two best super bantams out there (rigo can go *** himself with his inactivity and inability to fight anyone of note). When exactly did Quigg have an easy string of fights?

                      Callum Smith is currently in the final of the super middle tourney, beaten some good fighters, had to tough it out and outside of Groves, DeGale, probably the best super middle around.

                      Crolla fought in a unification, toughed it out in a close first fight with LInares (the best in the division) and hasnt had an easy fight in years, I think his easiest fight was probably Rees way way back, and even then Rees was a decent domestic pro.

                      You could say that about brook who wasted his IBF title reign but alas, it is what it is.

                      And Whyte currently has one of the best heavyweight resumes going, a loss to AJ (who wilder avoids like the plague) a win over a then still world level chisora and will likely fight Pulev, a world level heavyweight.

                      no idea what rubbish you're spouting.
                      For once I agree with you..

                      Good post.

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