WBA a joke. Machado being downgraded?

[bigdunny1]

I now rate the WBA as the worst of the 4 sanctioning bodies.

Hard to argue against that

[DuckAdonis]

Still no news about this bs ?

[asgarth]

So how will boxing historian look at his?
Most agree that the wba regular belt has no place in history, because it's a secondary belt to the WBA super belt.

So is Machado now the paper champ and Davis the real WBA champ?
If Machado goes on to win proper belts at 135 and 140. Is he only seen as a 2-division champ or a 3 division champ?

[DuckAdonis]

So how will boxing historian look at his?
Most agree that the wba regular belt has no place in history, because it's a secondary belt to the WBA super belt.

So is Machado now the paper champ and Davis the real WBA champ?
If Machado goes on to win proper belts at 135 and 140. Is he only seen as a 2-division champ or a 3 division champ?

3 Division champ...because he was the REAL champ for a few months (and still is to me)

[bigdunny1]

Still no news about this bs ?

finally

"The WBA made a super championship title when the champion of the organization is Alberto Machado and he's available to fight with anyone and is not injured either. What is the explanation of the WBA? For that we have been working with the lawyers from Golden Boy. A letter was already sent to WBA President Gilberto Jesús Mendoza," revealed Héctor Soto, vice president of Miguel Cotto Promotions, to Carlos Narvaez.

[N/A]

So how will boxing historian look at his?

It's so confusing that the world champions and super champions will likely both be regarded as world champions.

Most agree that the wba regular belt has no place in history, because it's a secondary belt to the WBA super belt.

But it's not always secondary and last I checked, Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis etc were all world champion, not super champion.

So is Machado now the paper champ and Davis the real WBA champ?

This is a perfect example of why the super title never should have been accepted. The world title is the world title. The super title should have been ignored when it was created in the early 2000s.

[Citizen Koba]

I thought the "Super" only existed for unified title-holders. ***** is so confusing. So now Tank is the "Super" champion and Machado is the "World" champion. Is this just a way for the WBA to get more sanctioning fees?

As originally incepted that was all it was for - to allow unified champs a little slack in fighting mandatories.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080605184309/http://www.wbaonline.com/wchampionships/SuperChampionship.htm

Then around 2009/10 they changed it to being guys with more than 5 defences... apparently for the sole purpose of elevating Sturm out of reach of then mandatory Golovkin..

http://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/WBA-Rules-adopted-in-Bulgaria-6-11-15.pdf

C.
CHAMPIONSHIPS

2. Super Belts

Similarly the Association will grant Super Belts to those champions that make 5 or 10 (if it was the case) successful defenses of his title. These Super Belts will be named after those champions that have been able to defend their title 5 or 10 times. See Appendix C for a listing of boxers who are qualified for a Super Belt.

Now? Who the fuck knows. In the past at least they're changed the rules before they broke 'em, this time it looks like they just ignored their own rules altogether since neither Tank nor Cuellar had either 5 defenses or a title from another org, but it's possible they slipped through another ********* when tno one was looking. Ha ha or maybe they're gonna do it retroactively, which would be about right for the WBA.

[asgarth]

It's so confusing that the world champions and super champions will likely both be regarded as world champions.




But it's not always secondary and last I checked, Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis etc were all world champion, not super champion.




This is a perfect example of why the super title never should have been accepted. The world title is the world title. The super title should have been ignored when it was created in the early 2000s.

im not a boxing historian but was the super belt around during when tyson and lewis were champs?

before the super belt was introduced, sure, the wba belt wasn't secondary because there were no other belts to be secondary to.

but the intention for the wba super belt was to reward their unified champs and champs who defended their belt a lot right? (and of course additional sanctioning fees.)

so it is/was technically an upgrade and is rated as the more valid belt between those two.

and you are right, they should have shunned the wba after they introduce the super belt.

still don't understand how they just get away with sanctioning a fight for the vacant wba super belt. if no one does anything against it, we will see fights for the super belt in every weight division. smh

[N/A]

im not a boxing historian but was the super belt around during when tyson and lewis were champs?

No. Which is why it's silly when people claim the super title is the "real" title. All the greats were champion of the world, not champion of the super.

before the super belt was introduced, sure, the wba belt wasn't secondary because there were no other belts to be secondary to.

But who is to say it's secondary? Is the WBC world championship secondary to the diamond championship? It's all a matter of perspective. The media chose to recognize the super title as the "real title." The media chose to not recognize the diamond title as the "real title." It doesn't change the fact that whoever is WBA world champion is holding the title all the greats held. The WBA claims they're going to eliminate the extra belts, but they're not eliminating the world title, they're eliminating the super title. The world title is the one that's going to live on.

but the intention for the wba super belt was to reward their unified champs and champs who defended their belt a lot right? (and of course additional sanctioning fees.)

The super belt never rewarded unified champs. It punished them. Unified champs fought tooth and nail against the super title, but the WBA did it anyway.

so it is/was technically an upgrade and is rated as the more valid belt between those two.

The WBA considers it an upgrade, the fighters at the time considered it a downgrade. Imagine working so hard to become unified world champion, only to be instantly stripped of your WBA world title so they can go crown another world champion? Nobody liked the idea except for Mendoza Sr. who wanted the money that would come from having two world titles. Back then the IBO was creeping towards acceptance and Mendoza figured if there was going to be a 5th belt, why not just make a second WBA belt to fill the slot.

still don't understand how they just get away with sanctioning a fight for the vacant wba super belt.

They do it all the time. Nothing new.