The silence from Wilder and his team, is deafening

[LacedUp]

Fat Dan said it best. The offer wasn't serious, it was just an excuse to say to the public, "look we made an offer and they never responded" hence the 48 hour ultimatum.

But there wasn’t a 48 hour ultimatum.

[McNulty]

48 for a counter offer and here it is days later and we haven't heard a thing

That's because Hearn said verbatim: there is no counter offer. Here, enjoy a timestamp of 15:59! All queued up so all you have to do is hit play.

[Holler]

We know the offers from AJ. 12.5 million flat fee for Wilder or 50 million flat fee for AJ. That's over 4 times as much money for AJ and those offers are a ***ing joke. What Wilder made in past fights has nothing to do with this fight. This fight is huge and Wilder is half of why it's huge. Wilder is coming to hostile territory and putting his belt on the line. Wilder deserves a decent split of all profits available to pay the boxers after the fight is over and the numbers are in. Something like a 65/35 split in AJ's favor . That would get Wilder a hell of a lot more than 12.5 million. Until AJ agrees to give Wilder at least 35% of the profits available to pay the boxers he is the one holding up this fight. What's the point of a counter offer when they told Wilder to take their BS flat fee of 12.5 million or leave it?

What both fighters made in previous fights is relevant because it serves as an indication of their respective capacity to bring income to the table. It also tells us something about their likely alternative earning capacity should the fight not take place, ie what other options are available and how strong their negotiating position is. In this case it tells us that in commercial terms:

Joshua >>>>>>>>>>Wilder

We can add to that what they bring as boxers. Both undefeated, both exciting KO merchants. Wilder one belt, AJ 3 or 4 depending on your view of IBO. Each risk their health, belts, records and reputation, but crucially AJ is giving Wilder a chance to become a boxing legend and push his earnings into the stratosphere, due to the work AJ has done in paying the money and beating the other title holders. Again:

Joshua >>>> Wilder

The point is, Wilder is not 50% of why this fight is huge, he's nowhere near close to that. He deserves a percentage rather than flat deal in my view, but that's primarily because I don't think the fight gets made otherwise rather than through anything he's done.

I think the fight will happen anyway based on that last offer. According to Hearn the flat fee equates to 35 if the fight doesn't do as well as projected to 25% if it does better. So it seems as if he's guaranteed what they think 30 looks like but the flat fee means wilder isn't at risk if the fight does poorly, but is not going to enjoy an upside if it does well.

Hearn must know the offer will be rejected. For one thing Haymon and Finkel's own reputations are on the line, what credibility would they have if they conced a flat fee and the fight goes on to massively exceed expectations?

I would expect Hearn to offer to change that to 30% percentage after negotiation. Less than wilder wants, less than many of us predicted given the reported figures from Parker, but still comfortably Wilder's biggest take home by a massive proportion and probably more than he deserves if you looked at this purely on what each guy brings to the table.

If he offers that wilder should take it. If he's as good as he claims he just needs to beat AJ twice and he goes from a side note in boxing history to the biggest boxing star on the planet. In the process he'll also make maybe $40M.

Sounds reasonable?

[Street]

This fight is being negotiated to be held in England but Wilder wants it in the states. It's not about the money here but about the homefield advantage that will guarantee a win to the host if it goes the distance

[Holler]

This fight is being negotiated to be held in England but Wilder wants it in the states. It's not about the money here but about the homefield advantage that will guarantee a win to the host if it goes the distance

Where have you got this from?

[Dip_Slide]

No flat rate offers, Wilder deserves at leadt 30% regardless of where the fight happens. Flat rate offers never work in such ppv fights.

[LacedUp]

Would be crazy for Wilder to get the same when clearly he's so much more valuable than Parker. Brings a much bigger market to the table, a much more valuable belt and has a much bigger fan base.

Joshua is so insanely popular that I'm not saying he should immediately cover on 60/40, but 60/40 is pretty fair for a fight of this magnitude. Joshua is the A-side and probably has the leverage to chip away a couple points. Get it to 62/38. But with Parker getting 33, hard to see Wilder taking less than 38.

Parker brought New Zealand PPV to the table. Guaranteed it generated more than any of Wilders TV purses + gate put together.

[Boksfan]

48 for a counter offer and here it is days later and we haven't heard a thing. Also, Wilder went from saying that AJ was ducking him, to getting a contract that is more than he's made in his entire career combined, to now silence. Yet his rabid fans still cheer him on. They still say AJ is ducking and they still say that 12.5 million is too low an offer haha. 40 fights with 2 legit opponents does not make you the man. Yelling and screaming every time someone puts a camera in your face doesn't make you the man either. Fighting good opposition, beating them, taking on all challengers, that DOES make you the best. Wilder and his fans need to learn that. Otherwise, he will go back to fighting in front of 9k in fights that no one wants to see...all while ducking Miller, Whyte and the rest of the division

I guess Wilder don't want the fight, his deluded fans neither.

[Holler]

Would be crazy for Wilder to get the same when clearly he's so much more valuable than Parker. Brings a much bigger market to the table, a much more valuable belt and has a much bigger fan base.

Joshua is so insanely popular that I'm not saying he should immediately cover on 60/40, but 60/40 is pretty fair for a fight of this magnitude. Joshua is the A-side and probably has the leverage to chip away a couple points. Get it to 62/38. But with Parker getting 33, hard to see Wilder taking less than 38.

He's never getting 40%. If that's his red line then he'll never get the fight. AJ will leave him and do very nicely elsewhere. Wilder will either lose down the line should a mandatory throw him a live body or he'll come back to the table. If AJ gives him 35 he's being generous and Wilder should snatch his hands off.

[Tyistall]

Again, I ask all of Wilder's fans. If Wilder had 4 belts, sold out stadiums, fought on PPV and it was his team negotiating the fight and AJ couldn't fill up a college gym, never fought on PPV, had no fan base and never made over 2 million for a fight, do you still think a 50/50 or 60/40 fight would make sense???? Can one of you idiots answer that one because other than blind ******ity I don't see any logic in it.