The silence from Wilder and his team, is deafening

[uppercut510]

so because its not on social media they are silent?

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Parker brought New Zealand PPV to the table. Guaranteed it generated more than any of Wilders TV purses + gate put together.

Ughhh LaceUp's post is such a great example of why this message board sucks so much. People who have no idea what they're talking about constantly posting blatantly false information.

The PPV was priced at 49.99 New Zealand dollars, which is $36.67 US. The amount of buys hasn't been announced, indicating it failed to break the NZ PPV record, which is 80,000 buys. Duco made an excuse for not releasing the figure, but said the event likely broke the revenue record, if not the PPV record, but the fight was priced higher so it could break the revenue record even if it did 75,000 buys.

75,000 buys at $36.67 is $2,750,250.

US PPV is $75 and therefore AJ vs. Wilder would only need to sell 36,670 PPVs to match the NZ PPV money.

AJ vs. Wilder likely does at least 300,000 buys in the US, which would be $22,500,000 instead of $2,750,250, and that's a very conservative estimate. 500,000 buys isn't outside of the realm of possibility, but SHO and Haymon are very confident 300,000 is achievable at a minimum.

But for some reason, you're spouting complete nonsense that is easily exposed when the numbers are analyzed. Which you do all the time on this site. It's depressing to see how ****** you guys are.

[Raggamuffin]

He's never getting 40%. If that's his red line then he'll never get the fight. AJ will leave him and do very nicely elsewhere. Wilder will either lose down the line should a mandatory throw him a live body or he'll come back to the table. If AJ gives him 35 he's being generous and Wilder should snatch his hands off.

Joshua is not a champion. When he beats Wilder then we will call him a champion. Until then he’s just an A side trinket belt holder in the U.K nothing more.

Wilder doesn’t have to take anything that Joshua offers if it’s unreasonable. Haymon will be sure of that.

Insiders in boxing know that Hearn and Joshua are defrauding the public.

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He's never getting 40%. If that's his red line then he'll never get the fight. AJ will leave him and do very nicely elsewhere. Wilder will either lose down the line should a mandatory throw him a live body or he'll come back to the table. If AJ gives him 35 he's being generous and Wilder should snatch his hands off.

How is 35 generous if Parker got 33.3? Wilder is a much bigger star than Parker, has a much more valuable belt than Parker and brings a much larger market to the table than Parker.

If 35 is AJ's redline, clearly he doesn't actually want the fight.

Wilder is bringing US PPV to the table as well as Vegas. The two largest revenue streams known to man when it comes to boxing. Like I said, 60/40 is reasonable for this fight, but for the reasons you listed, AJ has the leverage to chip away a couple points from that. But how do you convince Wilder to take less than 38 when Parker got 33 and Wilder brings so much more to the table than Parker did?

The bottom line is that Hearn was SUPREMELY CONFIDENT that Parker couldn't win, so 33 to Parker was for a very safe fight.

Wilder is far more dangerous. That's why there is so much reluctance here. Not saying Wilder would definitely win. I view it as a 50/50 fight. But the chances of Parker winning were practically zero, so Hearn was very eager to make that fight happen. Even if the economics suggest that Wilder is worthy of 40%, it doesn't make sense to rush into the most dangerous fight.

[Holler]

How is 35 generous if Parker got 33.3? Wilder is a much bigger star than Parker, has a much more valuable belt than Parker and brings a much larger market to the table than Parker.

So the fight takes place in Wembley at UK primtime. How is Wilder's supposed grip of the US market to translate into revenue?

If 35 is AJ's redline, clearly he doesn't actually want the fight.

If he truly didn't want the fight Hearn wouldn't have made that offer. He wants the fight, but on his terms.

Wilder is bringing US PPV to the table as well as Vegas.

He's never been on PPV, let alone PPV at 4 in the afternoon. The fight is taking place in Wembley, not Vegas. In any case, remind me how many times Wilder's topped the bill in Vegas? I can think of his first Stiverne fight and that's it. So how exactly does he bring either to the table?

The truth is that most of the revenue in this fight is coming from AJ's territory and he's proved he can generate comparable revenue without the involvement of Wilder. Additional revenue from this fight also comes from the prospect of an undisputed champion holding 4 belts, again something which comes from AJ's side of the table.

But how do you convince Wilder to take less than 38 when Parker got 33 and Wilder brings so much more to the table than Parker did?

You tell him that 33% of something bigger than he's ever been involved with before is bigger than 100% of nothing. You tell him that he has a cracking right hand and in the HW division he has a punchers chance of both making boxing history and propelling himself into the top level of earners just by getting lucky in one match. You tell him he'll possibly make $40m across two bouts and if he wins them both he'll be able to dictate his price for the remainder of his career.

Remember one of these two fighters can make massive money with or without this fight. The other has one route and one route only. AJ has made himself the king of this division and Wilder can either accept that and make himself a ton of money or he can stay on the outside and AJ will go ahead and clean out the rest of the division without him.

Wilder is 33 this year and sooner or later even the WBC will require him to face a young, hungry, skilled boxer who may just take advantage of his technical defiencies. Does he want to take that risk?

[-Kev-]

The Joshua snakes are out in full force selling their snake oil.

[STREET CLEANER]

probably means they're negotiating. it's a good sign imo

This right here, real negotiation get done in private not taking it to the public.

[LacedUp]

Ughhh LaceUp's post is such a great example of why this message board sucks so much. People who have no idea what they're talking about constantly posting blatantly false information.

The PPV was priced at 49.99 New Zealand dollars, which is $36.67 US. The amount of buys hasn't been announced, indicating it failed to break the NZ PPV record, which is 80,000 buys. Duco made an excuse for not releasing the figure, but said the event likely broke the revenue record, if not the PPV record, but the fight was priced higher so it could break the revenue record even if it did 75,000 buys.

75,000 buys at $36.67 is $2,750,250.

US PPV is $75 and therefore AJ vs. Wilder would only need to sell 36,670 PPVs to match the NZ PPV money.

AJ vs. Wilder likely does at least 300,000 buys in the US, which would be $22,500,000 instead of $2,750,250, and that's a very conservative estimate. 500,000 buys isn't outside of the realm of possibility, but SHO and Haymon are very confident 300,000 is achievable at a minimum.

But for some reason, you're spouting complete nonsense that is easily exposed when the numbers are analyzed. Which you do all the time on this site. It's depressing to see how ****** you guys are.

What you responded to had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Let's say they generated 2.75m from NZ tv.

Remind me again when Wilder has generated that from tv or gate?

AJ vs Wilder 1 is not going on US PPV. If I'm wrong, can you tell me which fight on british soil has made US PPV?



Try again.

[N/A]

So the fight takes place in Wembley at UK primtime. How is Wilder's supposed grip of the US market to translate into revenue?

Hearn has already said the plan is September 15 at Wembley, airing on PPV in the US. Nobody said anything about UK primetime. You invented that.

If he truly didn't want the fight Hearn wouldn't have made that offer. He wants the fight, but on his terms.

It was a blatant non-offer. You clearly don't understand how this game is played.

He's never been on PPV, let alone PPV at 4 in the afternoon. The fight is taking place in Wembley, not Vegas. In any case, remind me how many times Wilder's topped the bill in Vegas?

Vegas is where you go for big fights. It could be Joe Smith vs Barry Nobody and if they were both undefeated, one of them was American, and the undisputed WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight championship of the world was at stake, the high rollers would be out in full force. The American media is very fickle when it comes to boxing. They only get behind truly huge events and undefeated vs. undefeated full world heavyweight championship unification for the first time in the four belt era is a once in a generation, if not once in a lifetime, type of situation. This is the exact kind of fight that gets casuals interested and the high rollers willing to spend big in Vegas.

[N/A]

What you responded to had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Let's say they generated 2.75m from NZ tv.

Remind me again when Wilder has generated that from tv or gate?

His last fight.

AJ vs Wilder 1 is not going on US PPV.

Hearn says it is if Canelo gets suspended.