Comments Thread For: Klitschko Impressed With Wilder: It's a Dangerous Fight For Joshua

[Oshio]

This is class! It is not surprising that Wilder fans like to read something from behind. Go back and read the article again fanboys... Don't be too lazy to read and rationalize things, you daft Wilder nuthuggers

[uppercut510]

Ortiz won the first four rounds. No doubt, even though I think all three judges had him up 3-1, I think most of us agree Ortiz was scoring and dictating the pace.

Then came round five. One hit, down he went.

6 was Wilder's as Ortiz recovered, but I gave round 7 to Ortiz, than came round 8. He beat a dazed, confused, and winded Wilder from ring post to ring post. Ortiz was large, powerful, and wailing away.

Wilder lost that round big, but did not go down. He took it all. Stayed upright. We all know what happened next. Wilder ended things in a fight he had every opportunity to let get away from him from both a technical side and maybe getting KO'd.

Now Here are some questions:

Based on the last three fights of each Wilder and Joshua as each included some scrubs and legit opponents: Who is getting better, who has had the more lackluster performances? Who has shown better power? Who dictates their fights better?

Klitschko and his basic points are 100% accurate. Joshua is technically better, and has great power. But Wilder is fast, longer, and unpredictable to the point even he doesn't seem to know what he is doing in there from moment to moment but uses it a strength, not a weakness. This is a mouth watering match-up that has about 322 different scenarios.

why do they always bring up Ortiz age but brag on the kitz win and he was older than Ortiz??? I understand klits has the better resume and is the more proven of the 2 but gee wiz its not like he himself didn't lose to and struggle with fighters who some here would call bums. Fury already beat Klitz as well, I think they should humble down on acting as if that klitz win puts Joshua on an ATG status and just accept it as a good win for him. Putting Down Wilders win over Ortiz and bringing up Ortiz winning rounds makes them look childish, Ortiz was a southpaw and has skills so it took time for wilder to figure him out and get his timing. Ortiz was indeed winning but any boxing fan should understand why Ortiz was winning, he was constantly on wilders outside foot and was countering him well, it confused wilder until he found success. I don't think these guys really understand the sport.

[landotter]

If Hearn don't know how good this fight will do.. why is he offering a flat rate? this is why he should offer wilder a percentage. Wilder is better than parker.. but wilder gets a flat fee? Thats ridiculous.. but it's not my concern if they not breaking bread with me. So at the end of the day I just want to see it.

Very well said. It is up to the fighters to tell their teams to make it happen, it their teams job to hammer out the best deal for their fighters.

And I don't care either, I just want to see it.

[davefromvancouv]

Ortiz won the first four rounds. No doubt, even though I think all three judges had him up 3-1, I think most of us agree Ortiz was scoring and dictating the pace.

Then came round five. One hit, down he went.

6 was Wilder's as Ortiz recovered, but I gave round 7 to Ortiz, than came round 8. He beat a dazed, confused, and winded Wilder from ring post to ring post. Ortiz was large, powerful, and wailing away.

Wilder lost that round big, but did not go down. He took it all. Stayed upright. We all know what happened next. Wilder ended things in a fight he had every opportunity to let get away from him from both a technical side and maybe getting KO'd.

Now Here are some questions:

Based on the last three fights of each Wilder and Joshua as each included some scrubs and legit opponents: Who is getting better, who has had the more lackluster performances? Who has shown better power? Who dictates their fights better?

Klitschko and his basic points are 100% accurate. Joshua is technically better, and has great power. But Wilder is fast, longer, and unpredictable to the point even he doesn't seem to know what he is doing in there from moment to moment but uses it a strength, not a weakness. This is a mouth watering match-up that has about 322 different scenarios.

Great post. I'm confident Al Haymon is working on a counter offer to help make this historic and intriguing fight a reality.

[landotter]

why do they always bring up Ortiz age but brag on the kitz win and he was older than Ortiz??? I understand klits has the better resume and is the more proven of the 2 but gee wiz its not like he himself didn't lose to and struggle with fighters who some here would call bums. Fury already beat Klitz as well, I think they should humble down on acting as if that klitz win puts Joshua on an ATG status and just accept it as a good win for him. Putting Down Wilders win over Ortiz and bringing up Ortiz winning rounds makes them look childish, Ortiz was a southpaw and has skills so it took time for wilder to figure him out and get his timing. Ortiz was indeed winning but any boxing fan should understand why Ortiz was winning, he was constantly on wilders outside foot and was countering him well, it confused wilder until he found success. I don't think these guys really understand the sport.

Amazingly great write up. Excellent.

I respect Joshua for getting off the mat against Klitschko, but I have countless number of times said the same thing you just did: A loss against an overweight, overrated Fury and nearly two years from that fight really need to be taken into account. And yes, Ortiz is a counter punching machine who really played the early and mid rounds perfect with Wilder, but Wilder NEVER WENT DOWN against a truly powerful, awkward and sound HW. I always have said I think Joshua wins, but I have come to believe Wilder wants this fight more. I really have learned to respect this guy. Why people can't see Wilder for the unique talent he is kind of stumps me.

[The plunger man]

12.5 is not 6x 5.2. Your math is way off.

Hold on a minute its not down to the exact dollar but wilder highest purse is 2.1 million so where the hell have you got 5.2 from.....6x 2.1 is 12.6 million so excuse by being slightly off lol

[N/A]

Hold on a minute its not down to the exact dollar but wilder highest purse is 2.1 million so where the hell have you got 5.2 from.....6x 2.1 is 12.6 million so excuse by being slightly off lol

wilder's purse for the povetkin fight was $5.2 million. even though the fight was canceled, wilder was still paid.

you have no idea what wilder actually gets paid for in house fights because the listed numbers are much lower than the real numbers. this is done to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

[The plunger man]

Amazingly great write up. Excellent.

I respect Joshua for getting off the mat against Klitschko, but I have countless number of times said the same thing you just did: A loss against an overweight, overrated Fury and nearly two years from that fight really need to be taken into account. And yes, Ortiz is a counter punching machine who really played the early and mid rounds perfect with Wilder, but Wilder NEVER WENT DOWN against a truly powerful, awkward and sound HW. I always have said I think Joshua wins, but I have come to believe Wilder wants this fight more. I really have learned to respect this guy. Why people can't see Wilder for the unique talent he is kind of stumps me.

1st i want to say is your profile pic of ray leonard is my boxing idol and for me the greatest ever but fella comparing ortiz to klitchcko is way off...yeah the age is the same but klitchcko is an all time great who i belive put up one of his top 3 performances against joshua....movement was fantastic , he showed desire,speed, and great recuperative powers to survive the blitz that joshua hit him with in round 5 , and his power was there to be seen.
In regards to ortiz he had not looked good on his last two occasions and besides bryant jennings really has no other noteworthy names on his record , yes wilder didn't go down but he was out on his feet and was lucky to see that round to the bell and comparing joshuas power to ortiz is a world away and when joshua gets you in trouble very rarely you recover and his combination punching is on another level.
Yes wilder is dangerous but make no mistake about it joshua is everybit as dangerous but unlike wilder who has been consistently outboxed by a number of boxers.
Joshua besides the klitchcko fight has Almost every single one of the rounds in his fights and lets not forget joshua had just 18 pro fights against klitchcko so was actually leanring on the job that night.
If joshua counters one of wilders wild lunges with his right wilder will go down and if he gets back up watch joshua jump on him and finsih him.
Joshua is technically a much better boxer

[The plunger man]

wilder's purse for the povetkin fight was $5.2 million. even though the fight was canceled, wilder was still paid.

you have no idea what wilder actually gets paid for in house fights because the listed numbers are much lower than the real numbers. this is done to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

Well i have no clue what wilder got paid for a non event all i know its been reported that his highest purse was 2.1 million in one of his contests.
Povetkin vs wilder was 5.2 million and was a big event in moscow at a big arena for the world title ?
Joshua if thats the case has offered wilder over double that amount and joshua will bring in most of the revenue in sky ppv and live ticket sales

[N/A]

Well i have no clue what wilder got paid for a non event

the purse bid was public, as was the court's findings.

all i know its been reported that his highest purse was 2.1 million in one of his contests

those reports just take the number filed with the commission, but the number filed with the commission can be wildly inaccurate as it saves the fighter money on taxes and filing fees.

which is why cotto's purse for his retirement fight was listed as 750,000 even though he was paid several million. this happens all the time