Comments Thread For: Nelson: If Wilder Turns Down Joshua Offer - It Doesn't Look Good

[cameltoe]

You people just don't get it as if it's rocket science.
Hearn is not the only player in the game.
There's no rule in the book where it says only one side makes the offer.
Wilder is advised by powerful Haymon backed by Showtime/CBS.
CBS is one of the prime networks in the US. It is not a joke.
If Wilder's people feel it is worth more than what Hearn projects,
then make the fight in the US and offer AJ his flat fee, which he is willing to accept.

I’ve said this time and again. One side is making all the moves (Hearn) while the other side is just complaining, constantly.

If you’re saying it has to be in the US and you’re not happy with what you’ve been offered, why aren’t you making moves to get the fight done?

It just seems like all Wilder and his team want to do is sit back while Hearn rolls out the red carpet, mouth off on social media, complain, and talk about how AJ doesn’t want the fight.

If 12.5m isn’t enough then counter, like Parker did, and make the fight happen. Don’t just sit on your arse talking about how AJ doesn’t want to fight.

[rickJen]

So Parker gets 35% to survive not take risks didn’t go all out. Wilder who will go for it just gets a flat fee? Not the same 35%? Costing himself millions. How does that make sense

Read this doe........

You people just don't get it as if it's rocket science.
Hearn is not the only player in the game.
There's no rule in the book where it says only one side makes the offer.
Wilder is advised by powerful Haymon backed by Showtime/CBS.
CBS is one of the prime networks in the US. It is not a joke.
If Wilder's people feel it is worth more than what Hearn projects,
then make the fight in the US and offer AJ his flat fee, which he is willing to accept.

[cameltoe]

EXACTLY!!! No one outside of AJ Cheerleaders believe that was a fair offer. MULTIPLE experts are even laughing at the offer.

Where’s Wilder’s teams offer? They’ve done nothing. Not even countered it.

12.5m doesn’t sound loads on paper, but it could be 40% of the pot, in which case it’s a duck.

It’s also partly psychological by Hearn. Chucking an offer like that their way is a classic Mayweather strategy, to show them who’s boss.

[Bronx2245]

Eddie Hearn’s Offer to Deontay Wilder Demonstrates Fear

Jeremy C. Higges
April 14, 2018

Wilder and Joshua need each other in order to command a mega-fight deal. Joshua has done incredibly well in the past, but he can triple his earning potential in a bout with Wilder.

If Wilder accepted Hearn’s offer, he could potentially de-value himself to roughly 12 percent of the total purse. Joshua’s name has more earning power than Wilder’s, but together they break the bank. Signing a fight at a 60/40 split is a win-win for both boxers, but Hearn doesn’t believe this.

Hearn’s offer to Wilder was all for show. He and Joshua are under pressure from boxing fans to make a fight with Wilder. Hearn knew his pitch to Wilder would be rejected. He’s trying to frame fight talk narratives in a context that puts him and Joshua in the best light.

Hearn’s offer allows him to boast that he has given Wilder the most lucrative deal of his career. It allows him to mask the enormous revenue that this fight can generate. In reality, this deal proposes Wilder peanuts in comparison to what Joshua could earn.

Hearn doesn’t want Joshua to fight Wilder next because Wilder is a legitimate threat. He stated more than a month ago that Jarrell Miller is a possible opponent for Joshua in his next bout. Hearn knows that Miller would be an easy payday for Joshua and himself. Miller also has a promotional deal with Hearn.

If Joshua immediately jumps into a deal with Wilder, he runs the risk of losing. This would significantly damage his earning potential for the remainder of his career. He can have a safe fight against Miller first.

Hearn would be the biggest winner in this scenario because he wouldn’t have to split generated revenue with another promotional company. He’s purposefully sabotaging negotiations with Wilder’s team to push their fight back long enough to get some lucrative, easy paydays in before Joshua’s longevity is threatened by Wilder.

Hearn is a promoter and he is playing a financial game that he thinks will fill his pockets the most. He’s trying to throw Wilder and his team under the bus in order to cloak his true intentions of putting off Wilder for at least one more fight.

Ultimately, fight fans are the ones losing in these negotiations. Hearn needs to be careful or else he might become the new face of greed in boxing.

https://fansided.com/2018/04/13/eddi...nstrates-fear/

[Deus]

Eddie Hearn’s Offer to Deontay Wilder Demonstrates Fear

Jeremy C. Higges
April 14, 2018

Wilder and Joshua need each other in order to command a mega-fight deal. Joshua has done incredibly well in the past, but he can triple his earning potential in a bout with Wilder.

If Wilder accepted Hearn’s offer, he could potentially de-value himself to roughly 12 percent of the total purse. Joshua’s name has more earning power than Wilder’s, but together they break the bank. Signing a fight at a 60/40 split is a win-win for both boxers, but Hearn doesn’t believe this.

Hearn’s offer to Wilder was all for show. He and Joshua are under pressure from boxing fans to make a fight with Wilder. Hearn knew his pitch to Wilder would be rejected. He’s trying to frame fight talk narratives in a context that puts him and Joshua in the best light.

Hearn’s offer allows him to boast that he has given Wilder the most lucrative deal of his career. It allows him to mask the enormous revenue that this fight can generate. In reality, this deal proposes Wilder peanuts in comparison to what Joshua could earn.

Hearn doesn’t want Joshua to fight Wilder next because Wilder is a legitimate threat. He stated more than a month ago that Jarrell Miller is a possible opponent for Joshua in his next bout. Hearn knows that Miller would be an easy payday for Joshua and himself. Miller also has a promotional deal with Hearn.

If Joshua immediately jumps into a deal with Wilder, he runs the risk of losing. This would significantly damage his earning potential for the remainder of his career. He can have a safe fight against Miller first.

Hearn would be the biggest winner in this scenario because he wouldn’t have to split generated revenue with another promotional company. He’s purposefully sabotaging negotiations with Wilder’s team to push their fight back long enough to get some lucrative, easy paydays in before Joshua’s longevity is threatened by Wilder.

Hearn is a promoter and he is playing a financial game that he thinks will fill his pockets the most. He’s trying to throw Wilder and his team under the bus in order to cloak his true intentions of putting off Wilder for at least one more fight.

Ultimately, fight fans are the ones losing in these negotiations. Hearn needs to be careful or else he might become the new face of greed in boxing.

https://fansided.com/2018/04/13/eddi...nstrates-fear/

So you believe that the total purse for the fight is $100 million and that Joshua essentially offered 12.5% like that article states do you?

Pure idiocy.

[The Westerner]

So you rather watch AJ fight PEDvetkin over Wilder??? SMH... Cool watch him beat up on bums and cans. Honestly I thought AJ looked like dog sht against Parker. And if he does that jumping back 10 feet every time an opponent throws a punch he's not gonna be undefeated for long.

NO SANE PERSON WOULD CALL POVETKIN A BUM.... sorry man this has gone too far.. u shld calm down with ur emotion, so that u can see the clear picture of boxing

[Bronx2245]

So you believe that the total purse for the fight is $100 million and that Joshua essentially offered 12.5% like that article states do you?

Pure idiocy.

What I do know is that if 90,000 people gathered for a fight in the U.S., it would generate at least $100 Million dollars! I do NOT know what 90,000 people generates in the UK. What I do believe is that a flat-fee offer is a slap-in-the-face tactic, that is rarely successful, and just creates news and more delays!

[rickJen]

What I do know is that if 90,000 people gathered for a fight in the U.S., it would generate at least $100 Million dollars! I do NOT know what 90,000 people generates in the UK. What I do believe is that a flat-fee offer is a slap-in-the-face tactic, that is rarely successful, and just creates news and more delays!

Stop this stupid nonsense doe.
Tell Haymon to do the fight in Vegas.
Hearn has no clue how to do PPV in the US.
No reason why Wilder's team can't make their own offers.
Agree?

[Prince Madison]

People seem to think matchroom boxing is a damn charity. They've offered.wilder 5 times his biggest payday ffs, Joshua probably won't earn twice as much as his biggest payday. When wilders been earning mostly 1 million a fight, how the hell is 12 million unreasonable? It's not a superfight either, let's get that straight.

[Deus]

What I do know is that if 90,000 people gathered for a fight in the U.S., it would generate at least $100 Million dollars! I do NOT know what 90,000 people generates in the UK. What I do believe is that a flat-fee offer is a slap-in-the-face tactic, that is rarely successful, and just creates news and more delays!

No you don't. You're talking out of your ass with absolutely nothing to back up your statement.

Off the top of my head the highest attendance for a fight in the US I can think of was Canelo vs Smith at the AT&T was close to 50,000 and that had a gate of $5,000,000 and close 300,000 PPV buys which was $20,000,000.

So when the biggest cash cow in US boxing fights in front of 50,000 fans and generates only $25,000,000 can you explain to me how a US boxer that is nowhere near the draw as Canelo and a UK boxer that is yet to fight in the US generates 4 times that amount?

That said, yes a flat-fee offer is rarely successful and shouldn't be successful in this case either.