So where is Wilder team's counter offer?

[billeau2]

As much as I stick it to Joshua all I want him to do is fight Wilder. If he can beat Wilder, he will have my full respect. I still won’t like Hearn but that’s another subject lol...

At some point we can only hope the inertia of the fans wanting to see this fight, takes over! Thanks for the compliment on the other post.

[Raggamuffin]

At some point we can only hope the inertia of the fans wanting to see this fight, takes over! Thanks for the compliment on the other post.

I don’t hate Joshua at all and you’re right. We all want to see the fight. We just argue up to the fight. It’s fun. That’s Boxingscene! Fun! You’re welcome...

[billeau2]

Wilder has never sold a ppv, and isn't a big draw, his management/promoter have spent very little $/time building his name up, because they are notoriously cheap.

Joshua on the other hand he's been built up to be a star and his events prove that. He also took the chance of fighting klitschko when wilder decided not to, and now Joshua is enjoying the spoils of that.

Wilder doesn't really have much to negotiate with, he could miss out on this payday and never sniff one close to it again.

If we were in the boardroom right now and in New York where thing are kept real (I notice you are from there and so am I) I would listen to this post and say: "Great how does that translate into value for either fighter? How does it diminish the value of either fighter pursuing the most they can make?

Wilder's ability to draw would only matter if Wilder had some large group of fans that would come to see him fight no matter whom he fought and if they were exclusive to him alone. But the fact that he does not have a gigantic separate fan base, does not prevent Joshua's fans from buying the fight. So wilder's position does not give him more value but it does not diminish his value to Joshua either.

If you are Joshua you may want those fans to be yours alone in profit but if you are Wilder you will make the point that you are still 50% of the reason why the fans show up. If you really think about this point carefully you realize that the one situation that would give Joshua the right to claim the draw percentage is his alone, is if Wilder did/does something to diminish his value as an opponent: So if they both fight someone in the interm and Wilder loses to Whyte for example this might cause some of Joshua's fans not to have an interest in the fight. Joshua would not be in this same position because he still is the fan base, if he lost a fight in the interm it would not matter as much, if at all, on this point because Wilder never contributed to the fan base in the first place.

The spoils of beating Klitsko have been priced into the equation that is what the belt is and that is the result of Klitsko as a European fighter endorsing Joshua as the next champion. Wilder's biggest value to Joshua is that most pundits feel that Joshua will win this fight if he is careful and stays away from the big punch. In today's climate with 3 less rounds in a championship fight, with bigger gloves, etc the boxer puncher has a built in advantage against the big puncher. So Joshua has great odds to pick up all the belts and become a superstar who can claim unified status.

It would be very different if there was a feeling that Joshua is on shaky ground going into this fight. If this fight happens Joshua will be the favorite, this board will show on a pol that most reasonable fans think Joshua will win the fight and unless
wilder manages to do something that defies the odds that is probably going to be what happens on fight night...Joshua's team knows this as well.

Not saying that Wilder could not suprise, just saying this is how Vegas thinks, this is also how value is determined when negotiated in a contract.

[firstborn]

Bowe vs Lewis. Tell me how that fight went.

I don't see Joshua dumping his belts in the trash but I could be wrong. What I meant was there aren't many credible opponents in the HW division. Wilder fights Whyte, Joshua fights Povetkin; who's left to come between them after that?

[Robbie Barrett]

[billeau2]

I don’t hate Joshua at all and you’re right. We all want to see the fight. We just argue up to the fight. It’s fun. That’s Boxingscene! Fun! You’re welcome...

The most fun for me, and something that is a little creepy is when we look at two human beings, and have to determine their economic value as objects. Its a real intellectual challenge, it will be interesting to see what they come up with because it will reflect how they handled these issues to get this done, if they get this done.

[AddiX]

Floyd was in boring fights to you but he was never in boring fights to me. Your hero Pac was knocked out 3 times in exciting fights lmao. Pac never tried to unify any division did he? My bad you weren’t watching him then lmao.

And nothing that you say will deter the fact that Joshua is reluctant to fight Wilder. He can unify bogus titles and he can fight in front of his crowd. Their PPV over there is $25.00 lmao. What’s the hold up with Wilder? What’s your real criticism because you’re repeating yourself dead Pac fan. You're a dead Pac fan lmao.

You’re all dead and trying to jump in Joshua’s bandwagon lmao. Joshua is scared of Wilder. The funny thing you know it too lmao.

Lmao st trying to troll because you have no arguments to make for why wilder deserves more $.

I'm not even a Joshua fan, but wilders team slacked at building him as a true Aside star. That's just the truth, and if he wants ppv % than he needs to prove he can actually sell ppvs.

Or else take the $, and if it sells big in the U.S. Than he will have leverage the next time he fights.

Until than he's just another Haymon bum who thinks they deserve some obscene amount $ despite the fact no one in the entire country gives a fck about them.

neither did parker, and why didnt aj fight ortiz if you want to use the klits argument lets use that same argument for aj with ortiz, hearn promised ortiz the aj fight n then ditched him like a bad habit. Wilder is a champion with a belt he can negotiate and yes aj is the a side but if you negotiated with parker you can negotiate with wilder. Hopefully the fight is made but you guys are acting like aj is the hw mayweather calm down.

Ortiz is a nobody, klitschko is the best heavyweight of the past generation. And wilder had to fight Ortiz, no one was taking his career seriously.

Comparing them is fcking ******ed, please never speak to me again.

[uppercut510]

Lmao st trying to troll because you have no arguments to make for why wilder deserves more $.

I'm not even a Joshua fan, but wilders team slacked at building him as a true Aside star. That's just the truth, and if he wants ppv % than he needs to prove he can actually sell ppvs.

Or else take the $, and if it sells big in the U.S. Than he will have leverage the next time he fights.

Until than he's just another Haymon bum who thinks they deserve some obscene amount $ despite the fact no one in the entire country gives a fck about them.



Ortiz is a nobody, klitschko is the best heavyweight of the past generation. And wilder had to fight Ortiz, no one was taking his career seriously.

Comparing them is fcking ******ed, please never speak to me again.

why didnt AJ fight ortiz? why are you guys so emotional??? im just talking on a boxing site. Why did hearn promise him the fight and then ditch him? thats all I asked. Ortiz is not a nobody hes one of the best HWs right now. who did i compare? why do you all go so crazy when AJ is questioned????

[AddiX]

why didnt AJ fight ortiz? why are you guys so emotional??? im just talking on a boxing site. Why did hearn promise him the fight and then ditch him? thats all I asked. Ortiz is not a nobody hes one of the best HWs right now. who did i compare? why do you all go so crazy when AJ is questioned????

AJ has been fighting highly ranked fighters for some time now.

You tryIng to make it sound like he ducked Ortiz or something lol.

AJ has a more impressive resume by far despite going pro much later than wilder, give it a break.

[uppercut510]

AJ has been fighting highly ranked fighters for some time now.

You tryIng to make it sound like he ducked Ortiz or something lol.

AJ has a more impressive resume by far despite going pro much later than wilder, give it a break.

ok his resume is better but not by much, i agree, BUT WHY DIDNT AJ FIGHT ORTIZ when hearn promised him the fight??? why did hearn promise him the fight and then ditched him? you all seem to act like it didnt happen, AJ may not have been scared I didnt say that. name the top 7 HWs AJ has beat and I guarantee if those same names were on wilders resume outside of klits and parker you would call them bums.