IBF should have been more proactive in this GGG fiasco?

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  • Street15
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    IBF should have been more proactive in this GGG fiasco?

    In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner....

    Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement"

    So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying.

    Just a thought.
    Last edited by Street15; 04-13-2018, 03:57 PM.
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    #2
    Originally posted by Street15
    In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner....

    Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement"

    So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying.

    Just a thought.
    Yes. They should. Funny thing with the sanctioning orgs though... in general they move with glacial slowness, but then ... just occasionally, sometimes for obvious reasons, and sometimes less so, they burst into action and make some half-cocked dumb decision which everyone disagrees with. The thing they can absolutely be counted on not to do is the thing which makes the most sense.

    Probably they were just caught a bit by surprise and no one with money had given them clear instructions.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
      Yes. They should. Funny thing with the sanctioning orgs though... in general they move with glacial slowness, but then ... just occasionally, sometimes for obvious reasons, and sometimes less so, they burst into action and make some half-cocked dumb decision which everyone disagrees with. The thing they can absolutely be counted on not to do is the thing which makes the most sense.

      Probably they were just caught a bit by surprise and no one with money had given them clear instructions.
      IBF is normally a lot more sensible about things like this. Although, this is probably a first for them, atleast of this high profile of a status.

      They easily could have let it be known at the beginning of march when Canelo got popped that he would be forced to fight Sergiy in the event that the fight couldn't go on.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Street15
        IBF is normally a lot more sensible about things like this. Although, this is probably a first for them, atleast of this high profile of a status.

        They easily could have let it be known at the beginning of march when Canelo got popped that he would be forced to fight Sergiy in the event that the fight couldn't go on.
        I will give the IBF that, at least they do seem to abide by their own rules a bit more consistently than most of the other orgs and they do at least enforce their mandos and have a consistent (if deeply flawed) ranking system.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
          I will give the IBF that, at least they do seem to abide by their own rules a bit more consistently than most of the other orgs and they do at least enforce their mandos and have a consistent (if deeply flawed) ranking system.
          Yeah, their overall ranking system is completely flawed. But coincidentally (or not) their middleweight ranking is really good right now. Followed closely by their heavyweight ranking.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Street15
            In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner....

            Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement"

            So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying.

            Just a thought.
            I'm baffled by a statement from Dibella, saying that if GGG vs Martirosyan is finalised, the IBF will strip GGG of their title.

            How can a champion be stripped for not fighting his mando, if he hasn't been formally ordered to do it? And the IBF can't order GGG to fight his mando next if he's already signed a contract to fight someone else.

            Is it possible that the IBF might have ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko without announcing it to anyone?
            Last edited by kafkod; 04-13-2018, 05:50 PM.

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              #7
              Problem with the ibf is that they exist we only need one champion per division so guys like thurman, Stevenson, and Joshua can’t hold titles hostage and everyone is after one thing.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Street15
                In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner....

                Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement"

                So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying.

                Just a thought.
                No they won't commit Sergiy to face Golovkin on a few weeks notice. If it's going to happen it's will be shortly after May 5.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by A.K
                  Problem with the ibf is that they exist we only need one champion per division so guys like thurman, Stevenson, and Joshua can’t hold titles hostage and everyone is after one thing.
                  Why are you including AJ with the likes of Stevenson and Thurman?

                  AJ has fought 2 unification fights in the space of a little over a year, and now holds 3 of the title belts in his division.

                  Refusing to give Wilder, who brings a tenth of the money AJ brings to the table, a 50/50 split is not holding belts hostage.

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                  • Street15
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kafkod
                    I'm baffled by a statement from Dibella, saying that if GGG vs Martirosyan is finalised, the IBF will strip GGG of their title.

                    How can a champion be stripped for not fighting his mando, if he hasn't been formally ordered to do it? And the IBF can't order GGG to fight his mando next if he's already signed a contract to fight someone else.

                    Is possible that the IBF might have ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko without announcing it to anyone?
                    Possible? They haven't made a ruling yet.





                    His team (Connolly and DiBella) are currently lobbying for it now. When they say "he will be stripped" - they are speaking from the hope that the IBF will enforce and mandate that fight. They just haven't yet.

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