Comments Thread For: Loeffler: Golovkin, Derevyanchenko Must Be Paid More to Fight

[Boxing Logic]

But then the issue is, Golden Boy/Canelo do not want GGG to fight anyone before the rematch, unless it is their own fighter.

Then Loeffler should tell them too bad. You put us in this position, now you can be the ones to wait. You don't run GGG's career. If GGG wins his next fight, then he'll fight Canelo afterwards. But you don't get to dictate what GGG does in between for YEARS the final years of his career.

But that would require that Loeffler be competent, and actually stick up for GGG, instead of kissing up to GBP hoping they give him more business opportunities after GGG retires, which is the only explanation I can think of for why he does what he does.

[kafkod]

I've been reading tweets from people involved in this saga, and trying to figure out what's been going on behind the scenes, and especially, why GGG seems to be trying to duck a mando .. which is totally out of character for him and his team.

So here is my take on it. Just a theory, mind you, and I know I could be totally wrong.

Loeffler, Debella, and HBO, all realise that, with only 3 weeks to promote and publicise it, GGG vs Dereyanchenko - who is unkown to the casual US fan base - is not a legit PPV fight.

So HBO have offered to buy it and screen it to their subscribers, instead of having it PPV. The problem is that the money they are offering is not enough for what could be a very lucrative fight ... if it was promoted and publicised properly.

So Loeffler wants Dibella to accept delaying his fighter's mando till after the GGG/Canelo rematch, because, as a 4 belt unification fight, it would be a legit PPV match and make a lot more money for all concerned.

But Dibella won't go along with that idea because he sees an opportunity to force GGG into relinquishing the IBF title, so his guy then becomes champion by default, and can use the IBF belt as leverage in negotiations for a fight with either GGG or Canelo further down the line.

Looks like I was on the right track with this theory!

[factsarenice]

But then the issue is, Golden Boy/Canelo do not want GGG to fight anyone before the rematch, unless it is their own fighter.

Oscar in the background sabotaging the date and anyone not Canelo.

Gary O’Sullivan was willing to fight but Oscar made him turn it down. Oscar sticks Ryan Garcia in with another tin can the day before Cinco de Mayo to help water down a GGG fight. Vanes Martirosyan accepted the fight but fake outrage came from everywhere.

This entire problem is being made worse by Goldenboy

[Robi13]

Looks like I was on the right track with this theory!

YOu sure are man, good job. Except for one small detail, derevychenko would still have to fight somebody for the ibf strap if ggg gets stripped.

[Street15]

I don't think people understand the importance of timing in training camp as it relates to peaking. Training camps are based on 8 weeks of productivity where you start peaking at a certain point. GGG is pretty much at that point right now. As fighters get older, that time table becomes more and more significant.

Besides, training camps cost money. Tons of overhead, you pay for sparring partners, trainers, doctors, rented homes, food, etc. People suggesting they just extend it, without first being guaranteed a bigger budget are being extremely short sighted and far too simplistic.

On top of that, the IBF still haven't ordered/mandated this fight yet. Once they do, if they do (which is extremely dangerous considering the short amount of time they have) then K2 can decide what to do with Sergiy. But until then, GGG can fight a voluntary opponent. People forget that unless a fight is mandated or a unification presents itself, boxers fight voluntary bouts. It isn't different just because it's Gennady we're talking about.

[landotter]

BINGO. At first I was putting most of the blame on Loeffler just being a complete amateur clown. But listening to some of the comments yesterday especially from GGG it seems obvious Loeffler knows this is a terrible idea and wants to move the date but GGG is the stubborn idiot here. He really thinks that somehow him fighting on Cinco De Mayo even if it's a disaster against a 154lber that nobody cares about will make him a superstar. LMAO

GGG is the one who is fixated on this date. A date that has NO SIGNFICANCE to a kazaphukstan fighter. He's not mexican, he's not fighting a mexican, he's never fought on cinco de mayo, he's not fighting in vegas and he's not fighting on PPV. At this point somebody should explain to this idiot that this is hurting his image especially if it costs him the IBF belt in the process. There is no difference to a fighter like GGG fighting on May 5 then say June 15. Move the date get a real opponent more time to promote it and you can please your fans with a better fight. Everybody wins. Loeffer is over his head but he isn't an idiot. Unless this isn't about belts or fans and loeffler is just doing what GGG tells him the date should be canceled. This is a bad look for GGG and somebody needs to explain that to him.

You know, I actually agree with you. It makes sense. Golovkin has been wanting to be recognized as a Mexican style fighter his entire career. It fills in a ton of blanks about why this situation is so important to him. That he got cheers and Alvarez got some boos after their match in September must have validated that to him. Trip G- who I still do not think cares who he fights when, world beater or scrub- WANTS this date and refuses to give it up. He wants to headline a May 5 fight. HBO and his team are trying to make it happen with a small budget and slim pickings. Those willing to do it are wanting to get paid, those willing to take a small check are not worthy of the date or the opportunity.

[bigdunny1]

But then the issue is, Golden Boy/Canelo do not want GGG to fight anyone before the rematch, unless it is their own fighter.

This has NOTHING to do with Golden Boy. Go watch yesterday's press conference and listen to his laughable excuse for why they are ducking the IBF mandatory if you need more proof. Spike pulled out because the money is SHYT. GGG are some cheap bastards who don't want to take a risky fight. So HBO is only going to give them a small budget compared to if it were a PPV against a quality opponent. GGG don't want a PPV because they don't want to fight anyone with a pulse that might upset GGG and ruin a Canelo rematch payday. They also know that GGG on PPV with a nobody = flop. But they still want to be paid a lot so they are stealing the entire fight budget from HBO and only willing to pay a tiny slither of it to an opponent. These idiots want their cake and eat it too all for a date that don't mean shyt to a kazaphukstan fighter.

Move the date or fight a better opponent and you have a bigger budget. You can't expect to take less risk shop in the trash barrel for opponents and then complain HBO won't give you more money to fight a bum in a fight that you are getting crucified by the media and fans for making. This is all on GGG or Loeffler you decide who get's more in the blame pie. They had better options but they wanted to protect the Canelo payday by fighting the worst and cheapest opponent they can find and want fans and HBO to pay for it? LMAO

[Robi13]

I don't think people understand the importance of timing in training camp as it relates to peaking. Training camps are based on 8 weeks of productivity where you start peaking at a certain point. GGG is pretty much at that point right now. As fighters get older, that time table becomes more and more significant.

Besides, training camps cost money. Tons of overhead, you pay for sparring partners, trainers, doctors, rented homes, food, etc. People suggesting they just extend it, without first being guaranteed a bigger budget are being extremely short sighted and far too simplistic.

On top of that, the IBF still haven't ordered/mandated this fight yet. Once they do, if they do (which is extremely dangerous considering the short amount of time they have) then K2 can decide what to do with Sergiy. But until then, GGG can fight a voluntary opponent. People forget that unless a fight is mandated or a unification presents itself, boxers fight voluntary bouts. It isn't different just because it's Gennady we're talking about.

Even if it gets mandated or not, ggg is 36 yrs old, he needs to take big fights until he retires. Ggg has no more time to fight bums.

[factsarenice]

Pay Derevyanchenko a step aside fee for May 5th, and guarantee him a fight with GGG in September? If that's not possible, then DROP THE IBF BELT!

That's what Dibella is really after. He knows GGG got screwed and Oscar, behind closed doors, has his boot on GGG neck. If Dibella can get the IBF to make it a Mandatory he's can force GGG to give up the belt.

[factsarenice]

This has NOTHING to do with Golden Boy. Go watch yesterday's press conference and listen to his laughable excuse for why they are ducking the IBF mandatory if you need more proof. Spike pulled out because the money is SHYT. GGG are some cheap bastards who don't want to take a risky fight. So HBO is only going to give them a small budget compared to if it were a PPV against a quality opponent. GGG don't want a PPV because they don't want to fight anyone with a pulse that might upset GGG and ruin a Canelo rematch payday. They also know that GGG on PPV with a nobody = flop. But they still want to be paid a lot so they are stealing the entire fight budget from HBO and only willing to pay a tiny slither of it to an opponent. These idiots want their cake and eat it too all for a date that don't mean shyt to a kazaphukstan fighter.

Move the date or fight a better opponent and you have a bigger budget. You can't expect to take less risk shop in the trash barrel for opponents and then complain HBO won't give you more money to fight a bum in a fight that you are getting crucified by the media and fans for making. This is all on GGG or Loeffler you decide who get's more in the blame pie. They had better options but they wanted to protect the Canelo payday by fighting the worst and cheapest opponent they can find and want fans and HBO to pay for it? LMAO

Obviously you never read the article or did the research.....there is no budget. And yes, nobody wants to fight for what HBO is offering