Comments Thread For: Team Wilder Plan Counter To $12.5 Million Flat Fee For Joshua

[W1LL]

I think anything over $20m is great for Wilder, I doubt AJ makes $40m from that fight. So in reality Wilder would be making minimum 4 times what he usually makes whilst AJ would be making close to double what he usually makes. If I was AJ I wouldn’t be happy with that deal, especially with the fact that am bringing 3 belts to the table to his 1 belt, am bringing PPV to the table to his none etc

£20 million is $28.5 million. So for AJ to make double you're talking $57 million. $40 million is less than 1.5 times more. Wilder on the other hand made close to $2 million in his last fight apparently, which equals £1.4 million. Before this his biggest paydays were just under $1 million/£700,000. If you look at averages, in AJ's last 3 fights he's made a combined £55 million/$78 million. In Wilder's last 3 fights he's made just under £2.8 million/$4 million.

[soul_survivor]

1. 50/50 for the rematch is NOT a reverse of what is offered for the first fight.

2. Unless you know of any details indicating that Matchroom is willing to co-promote, then the 12.5 million is an appearance fee that allows Matchroom to keep all revenues over that amount (gate, UK PPV, US PPV) .

3. Flat fee purse rewards only Joshua if the fight exceeds monetary projections. That's bs.

4. Past purses mean jack. You get paid your value from fight to fight.

5. I don't have a problem with the low ball offer on the 1st volley of many. It's the take or leave it mess that bothers me.

1. 50/50 would be starting point for negotiations, if Wilder wins, and he wins big, with the rematch clause stating the fight MUST be held in the US, he could give AJ a smaller piece of the pie. It is exactly the situation Wilder wanted, because there was nothing forcing AJ and co to put a US only clause in the contract. That is a massive concession.

2. I don't need to know the details to know what revenue is and what a fight purse is. They are two separate things. Look it up.

3. Flat fee or not, Wilder has never and will never make this type of money.

4. Yeah and Wilder's value is MUCH less than AJs, which is the whole point.

5. It is take it or leave it because Mathroom's plan is to get AJ back in the ring at the next best date, they don't have time to mess around for paper belt holder Wilder.

[Holler]

Sorry, like all these fanagers of AJ like to do, we will stick with what we see, no room for nuance. Wilder's ratings destroy AJ's on showtime.

Ah ok, as you wish. Although it's a pity you take that stance in my view as the debate suffers for it.

[W1LL]

Lol, I didn't know that. To be honest, I've been staying away from these Wilder vs. AJ forums. It's been I have to say, worst than Mayweather vs. Pac. I've tried to come in and see if anyone is discussing how the fight would play out, advantages, and such. But all you get is one side defending Wilder, and the other defending AJ's wallet. Very weird.

Yea, I'd love it if Wilder's people just accepted the offer without a complaint. The reality is, everyone knows Wilder has a 50/50 chance in this fight. Hearn will be terrified of his cashcow getting annihilated. I think Wilder's people are playing into Hearn's hands by making it all about the split. They're allowing them to draw negotiations out, while making Wilder look like a dummy in the media. Once the opening bell goes all this media slander becomes irrelevant. What's more important to Wilder, crushing his biggest rival and gaining the star power he's always wanted, or potentially losing the fight for another 2-3 years, over a couple of extra millions? Providing he wins, he'll likely be making at least a few hundred million before he retires anyway.

[Ake-Dawg]

Calling people "stans", whatever that means, and casuals just because they don't see it from your point of view. Funny, considering I've been a member here, and a hardcore boxing enthusiast since before you probably even registered an interest in the sport.

And it is very telling how you responding to the "stan" reference and not the other "meat" in my post.

You don't have to agree with a person to understand and acknowledge their point of view is legitimate. I, like others, have questioned the legitimacy of your point of view. How long you've been on NSB or how long you've been a "hardcore boxing enthusiast" is irrelevant here.

You're essentially saying that you believe that Matchroom and Anthony Joshua should receive more profit off of Wilder than Wilder himself. Below I summarize the statements you made that indicate that.

1. Wilder should get a small percentage of US PPV. (This is in spite of the fact that Wilder gets more US viewership than Joshua.)

2. Anything over $20M is unrealistic and talking %'s only benefits one side. (This in spite of the fact that all major fights have been agreed to based on % such that BOTH sides benefit if the fight exceeds expectations and BOTH sides take a hit if the fight falls short of expectations.

3. Wilder isn't really known at all. (This in spite of the fact that he has announced for Sky Sports, was set to announce for the last Joshua fight, gets lots of comments from UK fans on NSB, has strong viewership in the US, was known enough that UK fans cheered when Joshua "called him out" after the Parker fight.

[bluemax]

Joshua's PR folks are brilliant. Offer an insulting purse to Wilder that is so low there's little chance he'll take it then they're free to continue to cherry pick smaller, older past their prime opponents for Joshua instead of fighting the best heavyweight in the world and getting knocked out. I hope Wilder takes it and we can all be entertained as to how Joshua's camp gets out of the fight. I think Joshua's biggest issue will be his mobility especially if he's forced to actually fight Wilder in his prime, no fun boxing while wearing a diaper.

[soul_survivor]

Maybe the offer is bad because Parker made an estimated 13 million. Parker who is far less popular than Wilder, makes less money than Wilder, and Parker doesn't bring a new audience with US PPV buys. Parker who AJ would make less money against compared to a fight with Wilder. 1 US PPV purchase is worth about 4 skysport purchases, I'm still waiting for someone to explain how AJ is entitled to all that new American revenue and Wilder is not. Especially when you understand that Wilder is the sole reason for this event being on US PPV.

No one has stated what the revenue split will be, this is simple talk about purse split. Wilder is being guaranteed he will receive a fee of $12 dollars. What is the total purse ? Not mentioned in the article.

Parker did not £13 million from the fight and the Telegraph source itself seems a bit iffy as several other sources state £8 million, worked out from the total purse being £24 million, hence 33% of that.

£8 mill works out to $11.35, Wilder will be getting paid $12.2, so he will be getting more than Parker.

Wilder has gotten a huge offer and he either accepts it and makes a name for himself or stays ducking.

[Pennsauken1]

Move on from them frauds!!!! Those Brits are scared, Hearn doesn’t want to make 2nd mistake he did Brook/Spence, let them dummies in Britian enjoy their snoozer/mismatch fights and their Queen Joshua

[W1LL]

And it is very telling how you responding to the "stan" reference and not the other "meat" in my post.

You don't have to agree with a person to understand and acknowledge their point of view is legitimate. I, like others, have questioned the legitimacy of your point of view. How long you've been on NSB or how long you've been a "hardcore boxing enthusiast" is irrelevant here.

You're essentially saying that you believe that Matchroom and Anthony Joshua should receive more profit off of Wilder than Wilder himself. Below I summarize the statements you made that indicate that.

1. Wilder should get a small percentage of US PPV. (This is in spite of the fact that Wilder gets more US viewership than Joshua.)

2. Anything over $20M is unrealistic and talking %'s only benefits one side. (This in spite of the fact that all major fights have been agreed to based on % such that BOTH sides benefit if the fight exceeds expectations and BOTH sides take a hit if the fight falls short of expectations.

3. Wilder isn't really known at all. (This in spite of the fact that he has announced for Sky Sports, was set to announce for the last Joshua fight, gets lots of comments from UK fans on NSB, has strong viewership in the US, was known enough that UK fans cheered when Joshua "called him out" after the Parker fight.

So Wilder has made just under $1 million per fight the majority of his defences, but in his last fight made almost $2 million. Those figures translate to £700,000 and £1.4 million. But suddenly he is deserving of how much? Suddenly you believe he is generating how much money? Meanwhile, in his last fight AJ made more (in one purse) than Wilder has made in his whole pro career.

[BoZz]

they doing everything so wilder won't accept, can't believe what a little b1tch joshua is lol