Luis Ortiz is overrated

[Metho_4u]

I don't know much about how Joshua tests. Does he stay in the VADA program between fights? If he does, you should certainly give him the benefit of the doubt.

Ummm, look at him... I don't need to give him anything. You think he looks clean? Oooook

[4truth]

Ummm, look at him... I don't need to give him anything. You think he looks clean? Oooook

Look at the guys recently who were suspect (Ortiz, Povetkin and Canelo) when the testing got a little stricter. I honestly believe that the VADA testing will catch cheats IF it is used year round or at minimum 12 weeks before fights. If Joshua is doing year round testing, (and I don't know that he is) I'm going to have to believe him.

[Larry the boss]

dont you dare tell us that abraham and dawson are A-level wins. werent you also saying that barrera was a solid win before bivol whooped him easier than ward did.

Did I said "who hypes? the Abraham win..RIGHT???

And Dawson was the lineal 175 champ ant he??

what did I type wrong?

[Larry the boss]

Hold on, didn't say they were shyt, I'm just saying they were hyped up as elite class opponents, which they clearly were not.

How are top 10 fighters and mulit division/lineal champions not elite?

[Holler]

Look at the guys recently who were suspect (Ortiz, Povetkin and Canelo) when the testing got a little stricter. I honestly believe that the VADA testing will catch cheats IF it is used year round or at minimum 12 weeks before fights. If Joshua is doing year round testing, (and I don't know that he is) I'm going to have to believe him.

He's subject to year round testing by UKAD and also WBA clean boxing program which I think uses VADA.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/101145551/anthony-joshua-drug-tested-three-times-in-five-days-in-wake-of-joseph-parkers-steroid-slur

[4truth]

He's subject to year round testing by UKAD and also WBA clean boxing program which I think uses VADA.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-...s-steroid-slur

So it looks like Joshua is not a fighter who tests all year long. "I sign up three months in advance every time and I have to give them two slots in the day where I definitely will be – so they are able to drug test me", he said.

However, I did say a minimum of 12 weeks and it appears (unless "3 months in advance doesn't mean 3 full months) he is doing that minimum.

[mathed]

Just because Wilder beat him. Wilder bandwagons are all upping Ortiz up.

Joshua, Parker, Miller, Whyte, and Andy Ruiz all beat Ortiz.

This is a 38-48 yr old man we are talking about here.

[Sheldon312]

Ortiz was a respected contender and Wilder knocked him out. It was a good win for Wilder. Ortiz is old and slow but he hits hard and has good boxing skills. I don't think he would be an easy fight for anybody. Parker was an undefeated champion and AJ clearly beat him so that was a good win for AJ. I don't think either AJ or Wilder are much if any better than Miller or Povetkin. They both can be hit and hurt and they both only average throwing about 35 punches a round. They are both good champions but could lose to each other or Miller or Povetkin in my opinion. Fans of both Wilder and AJ want them to be all time great heavyweights and maybe they will be but I doubt it from what I have seen so far.

I agree but let's be honest for a second. You rank Tyson pretty high but who did he beat that is as good as Joshua and Wilder? I don't think Ruddock or Bruno are as good as Wilder and Joshua.