Comments Thread For: Wilder: Fight Against Breazeale Possible If Joshua Isn't Next

[The plunger man]

There's no reason for Wilder to fight Whyte. Or Breazeale. He wants Joshua next. He has the other version of the title and no mandatory obligations preventing him from a unification.

Joshua is in the same position, there's no reason to fight Miller or anyone other than Wilder next. Joshua says he wants Wilder so why doesn't Fast Eddie make the fight that the guy he works for says he wants?

Because eddie the eagle wants wilder to be reasonable with his demands......the fight will happen thats for sure so don't fret gumbo.
Joshua go's for belts and undefeated champions so wilder will have his chance and when his chance comes wilder will do the funky chicken dance

[j0zef]

Take the damn Whyte fight, what the hell is his problem? He'd get his highest payday just by fighting Whyte, and then guarantees himself a $10-15m purse by getting AJ afterwards.

I'm not sure if Wilder is just being a stubborn child or what, but the path is laid out right in front of him. Fighting Breazeale does nothing for him.

You can bet your ass that if Mayweather told Spence to fight Berto before getting a title shot at him, Spence wouldn't posture like an idiot for a year while fighting nobodies for $500k.

[landotter]

Id want aj v wilder above everyone else too but to discredit whyte position as corruption is a joke. We should be applauding him as one of the few guys who have earned a top spot. Look at his fights and wins since the aj loss, it is far far superior to anything moobzeale has done.

Its not even a comparison at this stage and with all wilders recent quotes about not wanting to fight rubbish is fighting the most rubbish name out there.

I apologize if I sounded like I was discrediting Whyte himself, who as the next tier of HW behind Joshua and Wilder is legit. His record is fine and holds up a little better than most others and he has been clean.

My post was aimed at the organizations. I could care less about who holds what belt or what any organization wants. When I said "corrupt", these organizations pick random fighters to be top contenders based on what is best for them, not the sport or really based on criteria in the ring. The elevating of Stiverne last year to be Wilder's mandatory was my main point: I said then it reduces this organization to crap in my opinion, and I try to be consistent. Whyte is a good fighter and a match with Wilder is a fun fight. But I have zero problem with Wilder saying bring me AJ or I will do what I want otherwise.

[soul_survivor]

I apologize if I sounded like I was discrediting Whyte himself, who as the next tier of HW behind Joshua and Wilder is legit. His record is fine and holds up a little better than most others and he has been clean.

My post was aimed at the organizations. I could care less about who holds what belt or what any organization wants. When I said "corrupt", these organizations pick random fighters to be top contenders based on what is best for them, not the sport or really based on criteria in the ring. The elevating of Stiverne last year to be Wilder's mandatory was my main point: I said then it reduces this organization to crap in my opinion, and I try to be consistent. Whyte is a good fighter and a match with Wilder is a fun fight. But I have zero problem with Wilder saying bring me AJ or I will do what I want otherwise.

Like I said, corruption aside, Whyte is miles ahaead of fatzeale, a guy for whom I have zero respect. Turns up fat, never in shape, no attempt at even trying to work his way into fighting top guys, nothing, nobody.

If you're ok with Widler scraping the barrel then you must be ok with him destroying what little is left of the WBC heavyweight belt reputation.

[landotter]

Like I said, corruption aside, Whyte is miles ahaead of fatzeale, a guy for whom I have zero respect. Turns up fat, never in shape, no attempt at even trying to work his way into fighting top guys, nothing, nobody.

If you're ok with Widler scraping the barrel then you must be ok with him destroying what little is left of the WBC heavyweight belt reputation.

After Stiverne, you think the WBC has a reputation left? Was a farce decision from one of worst organizations.

And no, I really do not want Wilder scraping the bottom of the barrel. I just do not think Breazeale is that far of a drop in talent from Whyte. I would rather see Whyte, Pulev, or even Povetkin if Wilder can't get Joshua. But if it is Breazeale, than okay. You are probably right as far as it being a waste of time with Breazeale looking horrid lately. But if Joshua is planning on getting Jarrell Miller, who is unproven and will be in way over his head and himself appears to have zero intention of ever getting into shape at all, than a Breazeale fight for Wilder is par for the course. Besides, they have personal issues which will make for an interesting weigh in and stare down session, even if the fight is not good.

[tokon]

Take the damn Whyte fight, what the hell is his problem? He'd get his highest payday just by fighting Whyte, and then guarantees himself a $10-15m purse by getting AJ afterwards.

I'm not sure if Wilder is just being a stubborn child or what, but the path is laid out right in front of him. Fighting Breazeale does nothing for him.

You can bet your ass that if Mayweather told Spence to fight Berto before getting a title shot at him, Spence wouldn't posture like an idiot for a year while fighting nobodies for $500k.

Wilder haspreviously said he'll fight Whyte - providing Hearns guarantees Joshua next.

However, there is no reason why Hearns just doesn't do what Joshua has said he wants; Wilder next.

[soul_survivor]

After Stiverne, you think the WBC has a reputation left? Was a farce decision from one of worst organizations.

And no, I really do not want Wilder scraping the bottom of the barrel. I just do not think Breazeale is that far of a drop in talent from Whyte. I would rather see Whyte, Pulev, or even Povetkin if Wilder can't get Joshua. But if it is Breazeale, than okay. You are probably right as far as it being a waste of time with Breazeale looking horrid lately. But if Joshua is planning on getting Jarrell Miller, who is unproven and will be in way over his head and himself appears to have zero intention of ever getting into shape at all, than a Breazeale fight for Wilder is par for the course. Besides, they have personal issues which will make for an interesting weigh in and stare down session, even if the fight is not good.

Again, you keep saying fatzeale isn't that much of a drop off from Whyte BUT you haven't yet proven it. Whyte has actively fought better fighters and has better wins, fatzeale does not have any of that, does he?

On the one hand you say you don't care about WBC rankings and then you say fatzeale being just one rank below Whyte matters...which is it, because you can't pick and choose these things based on personal bias.

I personally don't rate Whyte highly but he is the best of a very, very crap lot, the only ones better are Povetkin and Pulev and even then I think Whyte has a great chance of beating either.

AJ is the only heavyweight to come along in a long time that could add something to the division (Fury might be the other but who knows) but even then, his limitations I'm holding off from labelling him some sort of all time great.

That's called objectivity, we should have that, because being a fight fan is more important than being a fighter fan.

[landotter]

Again, you keep saying fatzeale isn't that much of a drop off from Whyte BUT you haven't yet proven it. Whyte has actively fought better fighters and has better wins, fatzeale does not have any of that, does he?

On the one hand you say you don't care about WBC rankings and then you say fatzeale being just one rank below Whyte matters...which is it, because you can't pick and choose these things based on personal bias.

I personally don't rate Whyte highly but he is the best of a very, very crap lot, the only ones better are Povetkin and Pulev and even then I think Whyte has a great chance of beating either.

AJ is the only heavyweight to come along in a long time that could add something to the division (Fury might be the other but who knows) but even then, his limitations I'm holding off from labelling him some sort of all time great.

That's called objectivity, we should have that, because being a fight fan is more important than being a fighter fan.

Ok, fine. Even though I agree that Breazeale (who has a name, you know. Kind of works against your argument you are fair and more level headed when you drop kiddie insults on a fighter) is not as good or has a great resume. I have only said I could care less who what organization has listed where personally. Obviously, it makes zero difference what I think, only what Wilder and his team think. But to me, (repeating) Whyte, Pulov, and Povetkin in no particular order are all better options based on records and accomplishments and my own personal eye test. All this fights make me more excited than Breazeale. Whyte is a better fighter and Derrick Chisora is a better win than anything Breazeale has, but if you call a complete overmatched scrub like Marcus Browne, complete "C" level fighters in Robert Helinus or Malcolm Tate or any of the other no name club fighters on his record THAT much better than the club fighters on Breazeale's record (a shot Eric Molina is his best win) than you are defeating your own argument of being the only level headed person evaluating records. Whyte is better, but not that much of a huge step up and either one of these guys should be underdogs to Wilder. And if Wilder refuses to play Eddie Hearns' games and refuses to fight Whyte based on ego, Breazeale will get blown out but at least provides interest.

I do not think you are being unreasonable in hating the match up, or wrong in your evaluation. I just do not hate the match up as much as you do. I only hate it a little.

[rickJen]

So this Wilder clown would rather fight Breazeale for $1 mil, instead of Whyte for $4 mil with a guaranteed AJ fight.
This B-side guy has been very uncooperative ever since he started begging for the AJ fight.

[Redd Foxx]

Fighting another champ's leftovers is never a good look. The problem with fighting Whyte is that it's essentially jumping through Hearn's hoops, which isn't a good idea either. if Hearn is honest abt putting an AJ fight on the Whyte contract then do Whyte. Problem is, Hearn isn't honest about anything so there's not much Wilder can do if AJ is going to duck.

Whatever you do though, don't fight Breazeale FFS...