AJ is an Athlete. Deontay Is A Gamebred Fighter.

[Eddy Current]

Joshua is a big stiff idiot. He's too bulky and stiff-idiot-like to get out of the way of Wilder's right hand.

[Queen_Leia]

Neither is anything special. Last night proved the sad state of the heavyweight division. That shit was unwatchable.

So there is no special fighter in the heavyweight division?

[bojangles1987]

I was going to make fun of this thread, but TBH I can't explain how Wilder has gotten this far when he's so goddamn awful. I fully expect him to get his ass kicked by Joshua, land some out of nowhere right hand, and end up the heavyweight champion of the world.

[bojangles1987]

This is one of Wilder's wild inaccurate punches finally landing.

Wilder missed a lot of shot vs Ortiz and it's not like Ortiz was a defensive wizzard, he kinda has a shell defense but doesn't even have a footwork to begin with which is the best weapon in a defensive arsenal.

It's a 50-50 fight, I believe Wilder would stop Parker probably but would get outboxed in the process, at least AJ controlled the fight.

Wilder has more power, AJ more brain.

They are both very flawed, Lewis or Vitali K would have walked through them like a hot knife through butter.

Wlad would have outboxed, beaten them in his prime even if both would have a solid puncher vs Wlad.

Ortiz's footwork is pretty solid. He's a fundamentally well-schooled fighter. Footwork is definitely not his problem. He may not be a defensive wizard, but he's a solid defensive fighter.

[Vegemil]

What a dumb post. Anyone can look like a "gamebred" fighter against a PED cheat who was off PEDs and about 50 years old. Or a fat inactive Stiverne. Or Charlie Zelenoff.

As soon as he fights someone his height who has power like Joshua he'll get iced like the BUMSQUAD he is.

Don't forget Charlie Z actually BEAT Wilder. He tried to hit Charlie when he was on the floor which is an automatic DQ in my eyes.

[VatoMulatto]

Show me proof. Where is the footage in the pro ranks?



Here's what I found of Joshua's dance against a guy 3 yrs older than Ortiz. 2 years inactive. Coming off a loss. Been knocked out 3 times already.


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What exactly is your point??

AJ went toe to toe with an all time great who happens to be a huge puncher. Being dropped by Wlad is nothing to be ashamed of. Wilder been dropped by Harold Sconiers, even his trainer admits that, so why are you acting like it never happened? Molina had Wilder on ***** street and Wilder been KO'd in the amateurs.


Bottom line, Both of them been hurt and dropped before and both of them have the power to knock each other out.

[HeadShots]

What exactly is your point??

AJ went toe to toe with an all time great who happens to be a huge puncher. Being dropped by Wlad is nothing to be ashamed of. Wilder been dropped by Harold Sconiers, even his trainer admits that, so why are you acting like it never happened? Molina had Wilder on ***** street and Wilder been KO'd in the amateurs.


Bottom line, Both of them been hurt and dropped before and both of them have the power to knock each other out.

Wilder is faster, hits harder and he's gamebred.


he will eat Joshua.

[bluemax]

I favor Wilder to knock Joshua out. Joshua is slow and Wilder is not only faster but punches so much harder than Joshua. They both have defensive issues, Wilder more than Joshua so it's no walk in the park for either fighter. As weak as the heavyweight division is these two guys are the cream of the crop with Ortiz a close third. You remember Otiz, he's the guy Joshua avoided completely and who schooled Wilder for 8 out of 10 rounds before getting knocked out.

[VatoMulatto]

Wilder is faster, hits harder and he's gamebred.


he will eat Joshua.

That remains to be seen but AJ has the power and skills to put him to sleep so it should be a good fight.

[HeadShots]

I favor Wilder to knock Joshua out. Joshua is slow and Wilder is not only faster but punches so much harder than Joshua. They both have defensive issues, Wilder more than Joshua so it's no walk in the park for either fighter. As weak as the heavyweight division is these two guys are the cream of the crop with Ortiz a close third. You remember Otiz, he's the guy Joshua avoided completely and who schooled Wilder for 8 out of 10 rounds before getting knocked out.

correct. Hearn even admitted that Wilder fighting Ortiz was dangerous and said before the fight he didn't have to fight Ortiz. Thinks an upset is very likely.






The fact is h2h, Ortiz would've beaten 41 yr old Wlad. Just a terrible match-up.


Ortiz would outpoint timid Parker while maintaining his own defense. His defense is just as good if not better than Parker's and he has a better offense.

Ortiz beats the brakes off Takam.