Wilder's win over Ortiz is MUCH better than Joshua's UD over Parker...

[Make U Cry]

A win over an old PED fraud like Ortiz whose whole career is questionable is better than a win over a legit prime fighter like Parker?

People have lost their fcvking minds.

['b']

Never liked AJ but I even admitted he was #1 - after seeing this horse shyte though I'd favour Wilder.

Imagine how big that would be? A unified American HW champ?

Hearn going to keep running from Wilder and collecting them fat paycheques fighting bums because the UK fans are a bunch of ******ed, peasant class morons. They are used to being peasants under a brutal monarchy for a thousand years and so it's part of their culture and DNA - listen to mastah Hearn. Any man from that island left it to form the United States

['b']

A win over an old PED fraud like Ortiz whose whole career is questionable is better than a win over a legit prime fighter like Parker?

People have lost their fcvking minds.

Hughie Fury

that is all

[eco1]

but even then I think both of them win over Wilder.

[billeau2]

Your argument is basically "Fighter A beat fighter Y better than fighter B beat fighter Z, therefore fighter A beats fighter B." This is the thought process of a very dumb person.

This is a very good post. generally speaking, aside from violating standards of formal logic, when one compares A to B there has to be a common variable for the comparison to be valid. When we look at the common points we need something common enough to be valid, as in a common opponent.

[Jsmooth9876]

Wilder gets outboxed every fight then lands a right hand and wins. AJ is a big stiff who would rather hold and do nothing then throw his hands based on tonight's performance. All those muscles just slow him down, he's not fluid at all. I'D take the bum Wilder over the bum Joshua and maybe take the PED abusing bum Povetkin over either. **** division, **** fighters.

[Chrismart]

Hmm, I don't know. Different fights, different fighters.

Joshua wasn't in any trouble tonight, Ortiz almost had Wilder out of there in a 10-8 round.
IMO Joshua's win over Wlad was better than both those fights. Fury beat Wlad in a dull fight but wasn't troubled like AJ was.

I'd probably take Ortiz in a fight over Parker. But win for win? different fight, different fighter.

[billeau2]

You're misunderstanding my thoughts. I simply resumed both performances that happened in a short timeframe...

The Wilder beating AJ part is simply my opinion, not based only on said performances...

Vlad

it would be criminal to let you think this short timeframe is a valid common variable... It just does not work that way. The San Francisco Forty Niners of the eighties are not better than the patriots of today because they had better defensive stats! If the pittsburgh steelers and the Baltimore Ravens both played the patriots we could compare the two teams based on their performance against a common opponent.

I mean why stop there? The greatest athlete in raw ability was Secretariot the racehorse because he won more events than Jesse Owens? the cricketeers for India that won forever are better offensively than the 1924 New York Yankees?

YOu see the problem here?

[Jsmooth9876]

Hmm, I don't know. Different fights, different fighters.

Joshua wasn't in any trouble tonight, Ortiz almost had Wilder out of there in a 10-8 round.
IMO Joshua's win over Wlad was better than both those fights. Fury beat Wlad in a dull fight but wasn't troubled like AJ was.

I'd probably take Ortiz in a fight over Parker. But win for win? different fight, different fighter.

Vlad hadn't fought in like 2 years and was about 40 if I remember correctly
Ortiz is a better fighter than Parker by a mile IMO. Wilder is a bum with atomic energy in his right hand and Joshua is a big muscle head who looks like a stiff throwing punches. They all suck.

[Brother Mouzone]

I might admit that I am subjective when it comes to Eastern Euro fighters, so when you see me defending Kovalev, GGG, Loma, Usyk, Gassiev, Bivol, Gvozdyk, etc... That is me being maybe subjective but I always try to bring in facts and truth to my arguments...

When it comes to Heavyweights, I don't really have a preference either way. When Joshua beat Klitschko, I said it was a bad stoppage, but a good performance from AJ...

I saw the Wilder-Ortiz fight a few weeks ago, and I saw the Joshua-Parker fight today. Wilder had flaws in his performance, but he also had the flu and came in at a cruiser weight of 214lbs.... And he KO'd Ortiz.

Joshua on the other hand, has proven to be overrated after his performance against Parker. He was slightly better than the much smaller man in front of him,. who managed to stop his TKO streak.

So Wilder beats Joshua by KO any day of the week, and AJ and Hearn are exposing themselves to be nothing more than pink vagins...

I think your post is spot on based on each fighter's most recent performance.I though AJ would beat Wilder based on Wilder's lack of skill.But AJ looked so bad tonight I know would pick Wilder to win.The Ortiz that lost to Wilder would have beat AJ tonight.Funny thing is a younger Ortiz also beats Wilder he gave em' hell and almost had him outta there.