When Mayweather said Pac on roids did he want out?

[travestyny]

Mayweather fans are quick to jump on the steroid accusation because Floyd started that accusation. One of his claims was how Manny was able to rise through the weight classes and maintain his power and speed. One thing Floyd fans conveniently forget...Floyd and Manny both started their boxing careers at 106 lbs. That's right, Floyd started out at the age of 16 as an amateur at 106 pounds. Manny started out at the age of 16 as a pro at 106 pounds. They each rose through the same weight classes with success (Floyd being undefeated), yet Manny is the only one who Floyd fans find suspect for rising through the ranks and adding muscle weight over the course of his career. Floyd added the same muscle weight over the same course of time. His physique is actually bigger and more muscular than Manny or his other opponents, yet not a hint of su****ion from his fans. Three failed drug tests somehow get sealed in Nevada, his own backyard, and still no one dares to accuse him? An illegal IV day before the biggest fight of his career and his refusal to step on the scale day of fight while looking considerably larger than Pac...

Marquez has all the tell-tale signs of PED use...acne on his chest, shoulders and back, pronounced facial features, bulking up with ten pounds of muscle over the course of seven months, all while doing heavy cardio preparing for a fight...at the age of 39! Suddenly Marquez found KO and knock down power, and wasn't the same urine drinking version of himself as when he fought Floyd. Just look at comparison photos.

There are certain antagonists who like to troll for attention here and defend Floyd at all costs. Perhaps they have run out of Justin Bieber posters to rub one out to.

A whole lot of bullshlt.

If you want to talk about tell-tale signs, how about Pacquiao turning down a 50/50 split over a 14 day cut-off for blood testing.

How about the back Acne that Pacquiao has.

How about Pacquiao getting caught trying to shoot up Toradol in the dressing room when even his physician said he didn't need it. Who takes a shot of toradol for no reason????

Yea, I didn't think you'd like to talk about that.


3 failed drug tests? Really? You have any kind of proof?

You know, like the proof I had about Dempsey's loaded wraps, Dempsey running away from Joe Jeannette, and Dempsey breaking that contract to fight Wills.

[chrisJS]

Mayweather fans are quick to jump on the steroid accusation because Floyd started that accusation. One of his claims was how Manny was able to rise through the weight classes and maintain his power and speed. One thing Floyd fans conveniently forget...Floyd and Manny both started their boxing careers at 106 lbs. That's right, Floyd started out at the age of 16 as an amateur at 106 pounds. Manny started out at the age of 16 as a pro at 106 pounds. They each rose through the same weight classes with success (Floyd being undefeated), yet Manny is the only one who Floyd fans find suspect for rising through the ranks and adding muscle weight over the course of his career. Floyd added the same muscle weight over the same course of time. His physique is actually bigger and more muscular than Manny or his other opponents, yet not a hint of su****ion from his fans. Three failed drug tests somehow get sealed in Nevada, his own backyard, and still no one dares to accuse him? An illegal IV day before the biggest fight of his career and his refusal to step on the scale day of fight while looking considerably larger than Pac...

Marquez has all the tell-tale signs of PED use...acne on his chest, shoulders and back, pronounced facial features, bulking up with ten pounds of muscle over the course of seven months, all while doing heavy cardio preparing for a fight...at the age of 39! Suddenly Marquez found KO and knock down power, and wasn't the same urine drinking version of himself as when he fought Floyd. Just look at comparison photos.

There are certain antagonists who like to troll for attention here and defend Floyd at all costs. Perhaps they have run out of Justin Bieber posters to rub one out to.

Marquez had acne on his back in early fights (you can see it in the first Pacquaio fight for example). It's actually quite common for Latino people, Mexican's to have acne on their body. I know multiple people with it and they don't use illegal substances. Multiple fighters in history have had acne. Pacquaio has had acne on his body in fights and I'm unaware of it being hereditary for Asians (though I could be wrong).

https://www.facingacne.com/treatment...acne-problems/
More than any other ethnic group, Hispanics are susceptible to an especially nasty form of acne known as cystic acne. In cystic acne, the skin traps infection inside pores that are then covered by healthy, although pinkish colored, scar tissue.
This is just typing a simple search into google.

Marquez weight gain wasn't 10 pounds of muscle in 7 months. He hired Memo in 2011 and last fought at 135 in 2010 (looking a little softer). He was at 140 in July of 2011, then at 142 in November and then December 8th, 2012 he weighed 143 so AT THE MOST he gained 8 pounds and over the space of 24 months. NOT 10 lbs in 7 months. He weighed 140 against Fedchenko 8 months prior to destroying Pacquaio. It was gradual over 2 years.

[travestyny]

The DCO got what he came for 6+ hours later delay. Do the math! Ooops!

Yes, let's do the math.

Don Catlin -- 2015

An EPO test, for instance, will only identify the drug if it was used within the previous 48 hours, said Catlin, who is considered one of the most prominent anti-doping experts in the field.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-at...0QA2O920150805

Or maybe you prefer microdosing? Problem with that is that you'd have to do it at least 3 times a week or more, but have at it.

Christiane Ayotte in 2012(we'll ignore any improvements to the test)

“We’re at the point that if we’re not using these indirect markers, you can just forget about a case. For example, oral testosterone and microdoses of EPO will be detectable for only 12 hours.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/s...gs-titles.html

Ok. Now choose either one of the above examples and tell us how he....

1. micro-dosed through this gauntlet of tests:

Mayweather gave urine on March 13, 18, 19 and 28, April 2, 10, 15, 21 and 27 and May 1 and 2. He gave blood samples on March 13, 18 and 28, April 2, 10, 15 and 21 and May 2.

2. Didn't set off the athlete biological passport with 130 past tests. (oh that's right, you said he cheated during every test so that his biological markers were always set to that of a cheater. One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Feel free to use this tidbit of info again! )

3. Got a diluted sample past the DCO (who is required to check for dilution), the independent lab(which is required to check for dilution), and WADA(which is notified via the ADAMS online system if a diluted sample is provided). (oh that's right, you said he threw every container they gave him on the ground so that there were no clean containers left to get an undiluted sample. Feel free to use this tidbit of info again if you want!).

4. Gave a DIRTY partial sample and had it not affect his test (yes, it must have been dirty if you are saying the IV diluted the dirty stuff out. Oh, and don't forget, EPO is not a threshold substance)


Have at it. Go ahead and explain. I've been waiting for a good laugh.

ps. Wouldn't it have just been better for USADA to tell him when they were coming instead of USADA involving 1. A DCO 2. A Paramedic 3. A personal Physician 4. Three Doctors on the the****utic use exemptions committee 5. Lab technicians, 6. WADA. (oh, that's right, you said because they could prove he cheated by finding evidence of plasticizers...but that was proven wrong, too! You didn't do too well in all this, did you?)

OOPS!


Dumbest conspiracy theory ever. But by all means, please explain!

[GhostofDempsey]

Marquez had acne on his back in early fights (you can see it in the first Pacquaio fight for example). It's actually quite common for Latino people, Mexican's to have acne on their body. I know multiple people with it and they don't use illegal substances. Multiple fighters in history have had acne. Pacquaio has had acne on his body in fights and I'm unaware of it being hereditary for Asians (though I could be wrong).

https://www.facingacne.com/treatment...acne-problems/
More than any other ethnic group, Hispanics are susceptible to an especially nasty form of acne known as cystic acne. In cystic acne, the skin traps infection inside pores that are then covered by healthy, although pinkish colored, scar tissue.
This is just typing a simple search into google.

Marquez weight gain wasn't 10 pounds of muscle in 7 months. He hired Memo in 2011 and last fought at 135 in 2010 (looking a little softer). He was at 140 in July of 2011, then at 142 in November and then December 8th, 2012 he weighed 143 so AT THE MOST he gained 8 pounds and over the space of 24 months. NOT 10 lbs in 7 months. He weighed 140 against Fedchenko 8 months prior to destroying Pacquaio. It was gradual over 2 years.

That's all well and good. But when I look at JMM's rapid transformation, and yes it was within one year, I cannot ignore tell tale signs that most people at ringside, writers and fans alike noticed immediately. Marquez was flirting with idea of rematch until VADA was mentioned, and then he said he would not fight him again even for $100 million. That is all we need to know. Anyone who isn't a Marquez fan could see obvious signs of PED use.

[chrisJS]

That's all well and good. But when I look at JMM's rapid transformation, and yes it was within one year, I cannot ignore tell tale signs that most people at ringside, writers and fans alike noticed immediately. Marquez was flirting with idea of rematch until VADA was mentioned, and then he said he would not fight him again even for $100 million. That is all we need to know. Anyone who isn't a Marquez fan could see obvious signs of PED use.

Marquez never flirted with the idea of a 5th fight. He was very clear about that and his reasoning was plausible. He'd been robbed before and didn't want to erase a perfect ending. The wouldn't take it for $100m well I think that's just him giving an example of him being very content with how things played out and rightly so. I wouldn't take it so literally. I was at those fights and believe me just as many people suspected Pacquaio of juicing and that was also a common theme "If he juiced so he it. He only leveled the playing field".

When Marquez requested drug testing for fight III and was shot down that how did you intrepret that? When Roach accused him in the week of fight IV and he offered to draw blood and that Manny should too and Roach said "No. I was only joking" or some **** like that. Nothing in that either?

[Xi_]

Poochiao was juicing.....theres a reason why he wasn't koing dudes anymore.

[Spoon23]

Yes, Floyd was scared.

Waited for Pacquiao to get old, get knocked out and lose his edge, then still had to stack the deck by PED'ing up himself and making Pacquiao fight with a damaged shoulder, not to mention buying the ref.

That was beautiful. Truly the essence of this thread in a nutshell.

[chrisJS]

Poochiao was juicing.....theres a reason why he wasn't koing dudes anymore.

I believe he was juicing but I don't think that's conclusive proof when you factor in

Nobody KO's Clottey who came only to survive

Margarito was a giant (with a great chin) compared to him

Mosley is hard to KO and Mosley fought only to survive

Marquez is great and always had Pacquaio's number

Bradley is also a very good fighter hard to KO

Pacquaio was already pretty washed up after the Marquez KO.

He was a much smaller dude (except Marquez) than dudes he was fighting.

I still do believe he was juicing for a long ass time though.

[GhostofDempsey]

Marquez never flirted with the idea of a 5th fight. He was very clear about that and his reasoning was plausible. He'd been robbed before and didn't want to erase a perfect ending. The wouldn't take it for $100m well I think that's just him giving an example of him being very content with how things played out and rightly so. I wouldn't take it so literally. I was at those fights and believe me just as many people suspected Pacquaio of juicing and that was also a common theme "If he juiced so he it. He only leveled the playing field".

When Marquez requested drug testing for fight III and was shot down that how did you intrepret that? When Roach accused him in the week of fight IV and he offered to draw blood and that Manny should too and Roach said "No. I was only joking" or some **** like that. Nothing in that either?

Being at the fight and listening to fellow Marquez fans suggest Manny is juicing doesn't remove su****ion from Marquez. But, you think that Marquez won all of their fights, so I'm not going to be able to sway you on whether or not he was juicing. You're a JMM fan and I'm a Pac fan. You're a quality poster and I'd rather not turn this into a heated exchange over something that neither of us can prove.

[Spoon23]

read the last few posts .....


So Koolc, Dosumthin and travestyny are all one and the same guy?

Not sure with Koolc, but definitely Dosumpthin and Travestyny are one and the same. It's a no brainer. You can see through his lame antics a mile away. It's obviously ******. Every time Travesty is getting beat up along comes Dosumpthin to reply to his damaged main account lol

And, if you look closely in this thread. It's pretty automatic for him to reply to himself when his getting obliterated page after page by the main man Spoon23! hehe




Here's a reminder of Travesty's LOVE to his ALT Dosumpthin. It is so nice to give to someone, but not as nice when you give it to your own ALT. That's love thy own. It symbolizes how desperate some weirdos are for acknowledgement and affection

Love shown by Travestyny to his ALT Dosumpthin

Travesty gave a medal to his main ALT lololololololol

- "Still undefeated - Travestyny"


Travestyny is so confused with having too many ALTS that he even thought I'm his ALT lolololololol

How fuvked up in the head is that hahahaha!!

"If I'm your alt"... wouldn't that mean we are the same person?