When Mayweather said Pac on roids did he want out?

[chrisJS]

Being at the fight and listening to fellow Marquez fans suggest Manny is juicing doesn't remove su****ion from Marquez. But, you think that Marquez won all of their fights, so I'm not going to be able to sway you on whether or not he was juicing. You're a JMM fan and I'm a Pac fan. You're a quality poster and I'd rather not turn this into a heated exchange over something that neither of us can prove.

Fair enough.

[WesternChamp]

Marquez never flirted with the idea of a 5th fight. He was very clear about that and his reasoning was plausible. He'd been robbed before and didn't want to erase a perfect ending. The wouldn't take it for $100m well I think that's just him giving an example of him being very content with how things played out and rightly so. I wouldn't take it so literally. I was at those fights and believe me just as many people suspected Pacquaio of juicing and that was also a common theme "If he juiced so he it. He only leveled the playing field".

When Marquez requested drug testing for fight III and was shot down that how did you intrepret that? When Roach accused him in the week of fight IV and he offered to draw blood and that Manny should too and Roach said "No. I was only joking" or some **** like that. Nothing in that either?

this has been dispute already. random testing was NOT part of the contract, so roach can say what he wants, but how are they gonna start random testing marquez and pac when training camp was coming to an end already when roach made those comments.

that's why arum said it was foolish and that if BOTH team wanted to be tested, why didnt they brought that up during negotiating because he would have no problems putting that in the contract.

and about marquez acne out chest dating back to his younger days. find me a pic of marquez in his early days looking like this, remember this is the same guy that drank his own piss because he thought he can benefit from it --



and then peep this interview out before pac vs marquez 4 --

"i need to change something for this fight" .. wonder what that could be.

[Xi_]

I believe he was juicing but I don't think that's conclusive proof when you factor in

Nobody KO's Clottey who came only to survive

Margarito was a giant (with a great chin) compared to him

Mosley is hard to KO and Mosley fought only to survive

Marquez is great and always had Pacquaio's number

Bradley is also a very good fighter hard to KO

Pacquaio was already pretty washed up after the Marquez KO.

He was a much smaller dude (except Marquez) than dudes he was fighting.

I still do believe he was juicing for a long ass time though.

I call bs.....he conveniently stopped koing guys after Floyd pulled his card? Fighting bigger guys didnt stop him from koing guys before. Random drug test refusals, backne, prior drug usage(a-sidemeth), toradol, etc. He's a damn fraud.

[djtmal]

Mayweather fans are quick to jump on the steroid accusation because Floyd started that accusation. One of his claims was how Manny was able to rise through the weight classes and maintain his power and speed. One thing Floyd fans conveniently forget...Floyd and Manny both started their boxing careers at 106 lbs. That's right, Floyd started out at the age of 16 as an amateur at 106 pounds. Manny started out at the age of 16 as a pro at 106 pounds. They each rose through the same weight classes with success (Floyd being undefeated), yet Manny is the only one who Floyd fans find suspect for rising through the ranks and adding muscle weight over the course of his career. Floyd added the same muscle weight over the same course of time. His physique is actually bigger and more muscular than Manny or his other opponents, yet not a hint of su****ion from his fans. Three failed drug tests somehow get sealed in Nevada, his own backyard, and still no one dares to accuse him? An illegal IV day before the biggest fight of his career and his refusal to step on the scale day of fight while looking considerably larger than Pac...

Marquez has all the tell-tale signs of PED use...acne on his chest, shoulders and back, pronounced facial features, bulking up with ten pounds of muscle over the course of seven months, all while doing heavy cardio preparing for a fight...at the age of 39! Suddenly Marquez found KO and knock down power, and wasn't the same urine drinking version of himself as when he fought Floyd. Just look at comparison photos.

There are certain antagonists who like to troll for attention here and defend Floyd at all costs. Perhaps they have run out of Justin Bieber posters to rub one out to.

Floyd was scared man it wasn't hard to tell. Did Manny shoot a feature length film fearing for his health? Naw man and if he did he'd be labeled a coward, as Floyd was.

[chrisJS]

this has been dispute already. random testing was NOT part of the contract, so roach can say what he wants, but how are they gonna start random testing marquez and pac when training camp was coming to an end already when roach made those comments.

that's why arum said it was foolish and that if BOTH team wanted to be tested, why didnt they brought that up during negotiating because he would have no problems putting that in the contract.

and about marquez acne out chest dating back to his younger days. find me a pic of marquez in his early days looking like this, remember this is the same guy that drank his own piss because he thought he can benefit from it --



and then peep this interview out before pac vs marquez 4 --

"i need to change something for this fight" .. wonder what that could be.

English isn't his first language. You are reading too much into his wordage. His change something was fight a more aggressive fight. Did you bat an eyelid when Freddie Roach himself said "Ariza is shady. He gave Manny thee shakes and god knows what was in them"?

Marquez actually requested the random testing be in the contract and that was declined.

That is from the Alvarado fight. Actually the back acne that popped up in some earlier fights wasn't even in the 4th Pacquaio fight so based on your logic he must have been clean then? Also worth noting that with Memo in his camp Marquez was a 25% KO artist (1 in 4) but before he was a 65% KO artist.

[chrisJS]

I call bs.....he conveniently stopped koing guys after Floyd pulled his card? King bigger guys didnt stop him from koing guys before. Random drug test refusals, backne, prior drug usage(a-sidemeth), toradol, etc. He's damn fraud.

Hatton was almost KO'd by featherfisted Collazo and even Juan Lazcano hurt him bad. That wasn't a surprising KO. Floyd's last real KO was Hatton (should he be suspect? he went from a 63% KO puncher to a 54% puncher and that number is embellished by a sucker punch KO and a fight with McGregor).

He didn't put Oscar down.

I think Pacquaio was juiced but that "KO's dried up" argument is full of holes.

[GhostofDempsey]

Floyd was scared man it wasn't hard to tell. Did Manny shoot a feature length film fearing for his health? Naw man and if he did he'd be labeled a coward, as Floyd was.

Just look at Floyd's opponents prior to his accusations of Pac:

2007-05-05 Oscar De La Hoya 38-4
2006-11-04 Carlos Manuel Baldomir 43-9-6
2006-04-08 Zab Judah 34-3-0
2005-11-19 Sharmba Mitchell 56-4-0
2005-06-25 Arturo Gatti 39-6-0
2005-01-22 Henry Bruseles 21-2-1
2004-05-22 DeMarcus Corley 28-2-1
2003-11-01 Phillip Ndou 31-1-0
2003-04-19 Victoriano Sosa 35-2-2

No one on that list who even comes close to Pac's skill and ability in 2008/9. DLH was washed up, Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir. Gatti a washed up C-rate fighter. Prior to that he got a gift against Castillo and his best wins were flat-footed brawlers. He didn't want any part of a prime Pac.

[Xi_]

Hatton was almost KO'd by featherfisted Collazo and even Juan Lazcano hurt him bad. That wasn't a surprising KO. Floyd's last real KO was Hatton (should he be suspect? he went from a 63% KO puncher to a 54% puncher and that number is embellished by a sucker punch KO and a fight with McGregor).

He didn't put Oscar down.

I think Pacquaio was juiced but that "KO's dried up" argument is full of holes.

Nope cause floyd is feather-fisted with hand issues, there is a papertrail for that. I'm not even necessarily just talking about Pacquiao's power.....his workrate went down drastically too. He was juicing his ass off.

[Radical]

All boxers work rate goes down as they age. Such a dumb argument.

Only legit argument I’ve heard was his head size. But then you’d need some exact measurements to verify that. Not pics on the internet.

[djtmal]

Just look at Floyd's opponents prior to his accusations of Pac:

2007-05-05 Oscar De La Hoya 38-4
2006-11-04 Carlos Manuel Baldomir 43-9-6
2006-04-08 Zab Judah 34-3-0
2005-11-19 Sharmba Mitchell 56-4-0
2005-06-25 Arturo Gatti 39-6-0
2005-01-22 Henry Bruseles 21-2-1
2004-05-22 DeMarcus Corley 28-2-1
2003-11-01 Phillip Ndou 31-1-0
2003-04-19 Victoriano Sosa 35-2-2

No one on that list who even comes close to Pac's skill and ability in 2008/9. DLH was washed up, Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir. Gatti a washed up C-rate fighter. Prior to that he got a gift against Castillo and his best wins were flat-footed brawlers. He didn't want any part of a prime Pac.

not a very impressive list considering the best guy oscar was over the hill, and that fight could have been a draw...