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  • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
    the key word is "partial" and that "partial was done when? After Floyd jugged all those fluids and had time to delay and do whatever then other "partial" was after using BANNED IV?

    You dilute the urine the detection is minimized. After a delay, it's more so and can become undetectable.

    "partial" is NOT sufficient to be tested alone. Remember that there are previous cases .....



    but you guys deflect.


    Why did Floyd need an BANNED IV when I presented to you enough clips of Floyd drinking fluids and laughing (and giving interviews that he doesn't drain himself like other guys - said it right after getting a freaking BANNED IV) to make you scratch your head and say "Floyd is guilty!!!!!"
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    You cannot answer that so you do like Lance Armstrong supporters would do.

    Yes, Lance could have sneaked a bag of IV underneat the DCO's nose but if I would have said that his supporters would be acting like you guys.

    Instead, lets face it. Floyd DID NOT NEED A BANNED IV so you guys need to deflect!!!



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    Oh yeah. I remember this one.....

    After all the factual evidence via ISTI was presented to counter your "delay" conspiracy theory.....

    You claimed a concentrated sample is actually dilute.

    Smh.






    You still don't get how SPG or dilution works.

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    • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
      1. The expert didn’t say that liar. He said he wasn’t familiar with the details of the case. Also, a WADA spokesperson said a retro TUE for an IV can be granted for dehydration.

      2. A sample was taken before the IV. Your delay theory just went down the drain.

      Now stop deflecting. How did they get the diluted sample past the DCO and the lab? Why didn’t WADA go after USADA. Still waiting.

      1. Nice spin .... your response, spokesperson said that she knew about Floyd's case? Ooops! Spokesperson was discussing Floyd's situation? Nope!

      This guy is not just a spokesperson ... the guy that was commenting about Floyd is head of the WADA TUE Committee and doctor!!!


      The head of the WADA TUE Committee and doctor said this about Floyd's scandal

      "They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment.

      "When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY).

      Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

      "I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao."


      2. That was just a partial .... partial is useless!

      The DCO came but Floyd went to MGM Grand for the weigh-in .... he was seen there soon after and way before the weigh-in.

      In a USADA memo obtained by USA TODAY Sports, the agency explains how it oversaw the administering of the IV to Mayweather, as well as other information in the SB Nation story it deems inaccurate.

      A USADA Doping Control Officer (DCO) came to Mayweather’s home on May 1 to collect a urine sample, however Mayweather was dehydrated and unable to produce one. A paramedic was summoned to Mayweather’s home and provided the IV, with the DCO in Mayweather’s presence until the boxer was able to provide a urine sample.


      More on "DELAYs" ...ANother reason to INVESTIGATE but they didn't with Floyd!!!

      WADA
      The DCO shall use their discretion if an Athlete cannot undergo a test without delay. The DCO/Chaperone shall inform the Athlete of the possible Consequences of Anti-Doping Rule Violations (Consequences) for failing to submit to urine Sample Testing.



      Reporting Delays
      The DCO or other authorized Sample Collection Personnel documents any reasons for the Athlete’s delay in reporting to the Doping Control Station and/or reasons for leaving the Doping Control Station that may require further investigation by the Testing Authority and/or Sample Collection Authority. Failure of the Athlete to remain under constant observation is also recorded in the DCO report.



      The Athlete is advised not to hydrate excessively, as this may delay the production of a suitable Sample. In appropriate circumstances, excessive hydration may be pursued as a violation of Code Article 2.5 Tampering or Attempted Tampering with any part of Doping Control.
      The DCO may end the Sample Collection Session if:
      a. None of the Samples collected from the Athlete meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis; and
      b. The DCO determines that for logistical reasons it is impossible to continue.

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      • Originally posted by Dosumpthin View Post
        Oh yeah. I remember this one.....

        After all the factual evidence via ISTI was presented to counter your "delay" conspiracy theory.....

        You claimed a concentrated sample is actually dilute.

        Smh.






        You still don't get how SPG or dilution works.

        More spin from the Floyd groupie


        I said that if urine is concentrated its dilute?


        What you may be referring to is me saying that when you drink fluids your urine will become more dilute than it would have been and when you factor in time and dilution, the drug that Floyd was trying to hide may then become undetectable.

        Some drugs may be undetectable or go just below the threshold due to dilution. Also it is not necessarily a 1-1 comparison when the SG becomes supposedly acceptable. The drug may still be too dilute to be detectable while the SG appears to be hovering above the "acceptable" level. That is, it may take more time before the drug becomes detectable again .... and due to further delays, it may never become detectable again!!!! TOO LATE!




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        Last edited by ADP02; 03-29-2018, 01:53 AM.

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        • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
          1. Nice spin .... your response, spokesperson said that she knew about Floyd's case? Ooops! Spokesperson was discussing Floyd's situation? Nope!
          LMAO. Buried yourself clown! Your expert also said that he didn't know about Floyd's case. So what was your point?


          Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
          This guy is not just a spokesperson ... the guy that was commenting about Floyd is head of the WADA TUE Committee and doctor!!!


          The head of the WADA TUE Committee and doctor said this about Floyd's scandal





          2. That was just a partial .... partial is useless!

          The DCO came but Floyd went to MGM Grand for the weigh-in .... he was seen there soon after and way before the weigh-in.





          More on "DELAYs" ...ANother reason to INVESTIGATE but they didn't with Floyd!!!

          WADA
          Once again:

          1. Did he say he knew anything about Mayweather’s case? He specifically said he didn’t know anything about it. You left that part out, didn’t you But you know who did know about it? THE THREE TUEC DOCTORS THAT APPROVED IT WITHOUT HIM HAVING HIS NAME ON THE APPLICATION. ISN'T THAT RIGHT, ADP02????

          You typed that he said it’s a red flag, so how is that consistent with you saying he was NOT supposed to have it, you liar

          2: Your theory fails. If a partial sample is taken from before the IV, your delay theory FAILS. You know by now that EPO is not a threshold substance, right You failed MISERABLY TRYING TO SAY IT WAS. Don’t make me quote the court saying it’s not a threshold substance again. That was fun!!!

          BY THE WAY, IF A PARTIAL SAMPLE IS USELESS, WHY DOES WADA HAVE ADOs COLLECT PARTIAL SAMPLES YOU FOOL? THIS IS HOW YOU ALWAYS EXPOSE YOURSELF. YOU THINK YOU ARE SMARTER THAN EVERYONE, EVEN EXPERTS, AND YOU GET EXPOSED AS A MORON BECAUSE OF IT. YOU DONT KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN WADA SCIENTISTS YOU DOPE!

          3. You refuse to answer how he got a diluted sample past the DCO, past the lab, and past WADA

          Last time. An IV masks by DILUTION. Tell us, how did he dilute the sample that was checked for dilution by the DCO, by the lab, and also had the information go to WADA and had them just accept that there was a TUE with a diluted sample and they don’t bother to check into it? You tried to duck that but you can’t.


          You fail! just like you’ve failed for 3 years. Give up.
          Last edited by travestyny; 03-29-2018, 06:11 AM.

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          • Mr. 50-0 admits he "marinated" the fight for five years and insists he deserves credit for being smart. That is a confession of ducking if there ever was one. He obviously used the drug accusations as a way out of the fight. The fact that he had to pay an out of court settlement for making those false allegations vindicates Pac. Floyd continued to move the goal post even after Pac agreed to full testing a year later. Ten excuses or more followed, in order for him to "marinate" the fight, or to put it bluntly, wait for Pac to lose a step.

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            • Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
              Mr. 50-0 admits he "marinated" the fight for five years and insists he deserves credit for being smart. That is a confession of ducking if there ever was one. He obviously used the drug accusations as a way out of the fight. The fact that he had to pay an out of court settlement for making those false allegations vindicates Pac. Floyd continued to move the goal post even after Pac agreed to full testing a year later. Ten excuses or more followed, in order for him to "marinate" the fight, or to put it bluntly, wait for Pac to lose a step.
              After the initial negotiations. But you knew that already

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              • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                Shut up bltch and explain why Pac gave up 50/50 and 14 days for 40/60 and 0 Days

                Then find just 10 professional fighters that thought Pac won. Thanks
                No you shut up alt. Just keep using the other alts you have.

                His best friend 50 cents already told the truth that floyd duck oac bigtime.

                And why floyd need to use the band IV before the fight?

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                • Originally posted by pasawayako View Post
                  No you shut up alt. Just keep using the other alts you have.

                  His best friend 50 cents already told the truth that floyd duck oac bigtime.

                  And why floyd need to use the band IV before the fight?
                  Great come back.


                  Try this one.


                  50/50 split and 14 day cut-off. Two of your fellow PacRoaches already agreed this was a fair deal. What do you think?

                  And please, if you can't spell "banned," don't try to have an intelligent conversation. Thanks.

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                  • Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
                    Mr. 50-0 admits he "marinated" the fight for five years and insists he deserves credit for being smart. That is a confession of ducking if there ever was one. He obviously used the drug accusations as a way out of the fight. The fact that he had to pay an out of court settlement for making those false allegations vindicates Pac. Floyd continued to move the goal post even after Pac agreed to full testing a year later. Ten excuses or more followed, in order for him to "marinate" the fight, or to put it bluntly, wait for Pac to lose a step.
                    50/50 split with 14 day cut-off. Even the biggest PacRoaches have gone on record admitting it was fair


                    What about you? I mean, you're still claiming Mayweather was ducking. He's not exactly like Jack Dempsey who got run out of New York by Joe Jeannette, right?

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                    • Mayweather fans are quick to jump on the steroid accusation because Floyd started that accusation. One of his claims was how Manny was able to rise through the weight classes and maintain his power and speed. One thing Floyd fans conveniently forget...Floyd and Manny both started their boxing careers at 106 lbs. That's right, Floyd started out at the age of 16 as an amateur at 106 pounds. Manny started out at the age of 16 as a pro at 106 pounds. They each rose through the same weight classes with success (Floyd being undefeated), yet Manny is the only one who Floyd fans find suspect for rising through the ranks and adding muscle weight over the course of his career. Floyd added the same muscle weight over the same course of time. His physique is actually bigger and more muscular than Manny or his other opponents, yet not a hint of su****ion from his fans. Three failed drug tests somehow get sealed in Nevada, his own backyard, and still no one dares to accuse him? An illegal IV day before the biggest fight of his career and his refusal to step on the scale day of fight while looking considerably larger than Pac...

                      Marquez has all the tell-tale signs of PED use...acne on his chest, shoulders and back, pronounced facial features, bulking up with ten pounds of muscle over the course of seven months, all while doing heavy cardio preparing for a fight...at the age of 39! Suddenly Marquez found KO and knock down power, and wasn't the same urine drinking version of himself as when he fought Floyd. Just look at comparison photos.

                      There are certain antagonists who like to troll for attention here and defend Floyd at all costs. Perhaps they have run out of Justin Bieber posters to rub one out to.

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