Does any fighter post 1980 beat a 147-154lb prime SRL/Hearns????

[FinitoxDinamita]

Nobody beats Ray Leonard.
BUt several fighters beat Hearns at 154.

[robertzimmerman]

RJJ, Julian Jackson knock Hearns out cold under 3 rounds and so does a host of other fighters at 154. If you want to put Hearns at 160, McClellan bodies him. Hearns was best at 147. 154 was too big for him, dude was losing to the likes of Iran Barkely by TKO dude. Does that answer your question?

Floyd Jr. possibly beats SRL at 147. Pick 'em. Regardless if you hate Floyd or not, his defense would give anybody problems. Also, his ability to switch gears on a dime, very very rare indeed.

Any Joe could beat SRL at 147. Charlo could do it. SRL wasn't a 154 fighter. Young SRL would have been stopped by Norris. Didn't Norris say he carried Ray cuz he was his idol?

A few points to consider:

Most people have overlooked RJJ because he only fought a few fights at JMW.

Most people consider JMW to be Tommy's peak weight. And on a H2H basis, I agree. JMW wasn't too big for him. Barkley beat him at MW and LHW.

I don't see Ray-Floyd as a pick'em. Floyd was a safety first WW with hand issues. Ray wouldn't have had any respect for Floyd's power. And he had equal ability but was also stronger and more powerful.

[robertzimmerman]

If he can make Hearn miss and frustrate him from not being able to hit Mayweather, Mayweather can do enough himself to where he did MORE than Hearn. Even if it's "not much."

Pac barely threw punches against Mayweather, and Pac is a punching machine. Mayweather neutralized his offense, and did more then he did offensively which is how he won. As long as Mayweather can take your weapons away from you, the ball is in his court. Once it's in his court, he does whatever he feels like doing against you. He takes control, it's called ring generalship.

He also netrualized Canelo this way. (A much bigger man)

Yeah, I know what he did against fighters, but the challenge that Hearns would have brought would have been something else entirely.

Manny was obviously faded, and Floyd had a reach advantage.

Canelo was inexperienced and seemed terrified of being countered.

Hearns would have brought: size, skills, speed, strength, power, and supreme confidence.

He couldn't have pot shotted Hearns and taken away his offense.

[JJRod]

Mayweather had the ability to negate his opponents best weapon. Best fighter I've seen I lifetime. Think he had a chance against anyone at 47.

[JJRod]

Nobody beats Ray Leonard.
BUt several fighters beat Hearns at 154.

I believe Duran beat Leonard.

[djtmal]

Mike was great.

I think that he's very underrated these days.

He is. Even prime Roy Jones and James Toney had problems with a faded version of McCallum.

[robertzimmerman]

He is. Even prime Roy Jones and James Toney had problems with a faded version of McCallum.

Yeah, I'd have loved to have seen Mike at his peak vs a young version of Roy just coming through.

I also believe he could have beaten any of the 'Fab Four'

From what I've read, Manny Steward steered Hearns away from him.

I know they sparred many rounds together at the Kronk.

[djtmal]

Yeah, I'd have loved to have seen Mike at his peak vs a young version of Roy just coming through.

I also believe he could have beaten any of the 'Fab Four'

From what I've read, Manny Steward steered Hearns away from him.

I know they sparred many rounds together at the Kronk.

i give him an honest shot against hearns and duran, i think sugar would outpoint him...he did show some vulnerability to good counter guys with good footwork, and marvin wouldn't be too shy to go toe to toe with him and walk him down if he is being outboxed...

[Thraxox]

If he can make Hearn miss and frustrate him from not being able to hit Mayweather, Mayweather can do enough himself to where he did MORE than Hearn. Even if it's "not much."

Pac barely threw punches against Mayweather, and Pac is a punching machine. Mayweather neutralized his offense, and did more then he did offensively which is how he won. As long as Mayweather can take your weapons away from you, the ball is in his court. Once it's in his court, he does whatever he feels lieke doing against you. He takes control, it's called ring generalship.

He also netrualized Canelo this way. (A much bigger man)

Easier said than donem

[robertzimmerman]

i give him an honest shot against hearns and duran, i think sugar would outpoint him...he did show some vulnerability to good counter guys with good footwork, and marvin wouldn't be too shy to go toe to toe with him and walk him down if he is being outboxed...

Good points.

It's a shame we never saw the fights.