Does any fighter post 1980 beat a 147-154lb prime SRL/Hearns????

[chrisJS]

No chance Floyd beats Hearns! Anyone who disagrees go and watch SRL-Hearns 1 and explain how Floyd deals with that version of Hearns? How does he even get past the jab for a start? How does he get inside without getting busted up? Truth is: he doesn’t, Hearns has way too many physical tools over Floyd.

Hearns is the worst imaginable style match for Mayweather. The areas where Hearns could be vulnerable don't come up in that match. Hearns levels him via brutal KO early or dominates him over 15 one-sided rounds.

The question was does any boxer post 1980 beat either SRL or Hearns. The answer is no. I think McCallum has the best chance but probably isn't dynamic enough and loses comfortable decisions to either. Tito is my boy he has a punchers chance with Hearns but it's an unlikely chance.

I think the only Welterweights in history I'd favor over Hearns are Leonard, Robinson, Napoles and perhaps Gavilan and I think he's live with all of them.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Hearns is the worst imaginable style match for Mayweather. The areas where Hearns could be vulnerable don't come up in that match. Hearns levels him via brutal KO early or dominates him over 15 one-sided rounds.

The question was does any boxer post 1980 beat either SRL or Hearns. The answer is no. I think McCallum has the best chance but probably isn't dynamic enough and loses comfortable decisions to either. Tito is my boy he has a punchers chance with Hearns but it's an unlikely chance.

I think the only Welterweights in history I'd favor over Hearns are Leonard, Robinson, Napoles and perhaps Gavilan and I think he's live with all of them.

Completely agree, Hearns is essentially a stylistic problem for any welterweight, but he’d be incredibly difficult for Floyd based on the size difference, Floyd’s lack of power at 147, and Floyd being most effective from long range. I agree he convincingly beats Mayweather via UD or stoppage.

Post 80’s I don’t think there’s anyone myself, they both outbox McCallum IMO. I’d give certain punchers a chance like Tito but I wouldn’t pick them to win.

As for who I’d pick to beat Hearns all time, I’d say Robinson stops him late, I’d give guys like Griffith, Napoles a fair chance but I think they face way too many physical disadvantages. So I’d probably still roll with Hearns in those matchups. Gavilan is an interesting fight, he was a bigger welter so wouldn’t have as huge of a size disadvantage and if he could manoeuvre his way inside could conceivably wear Hearns down. However Tommy’s jab would be a big problem for Gavilan IMO. That’s a real 50/50 fight IMO.

And as for SRL the only welter I’d pick to beat him is SRR and I still think that would be a close fight.

[djtmal]

Hearns is the worst imaginable style match for Mayweather. The areas where Hearns could be vulnerable don't come up in that match. Hearns levels him via brutal KO early or dominates him over 15 one-sided rounds.

The question was does any boxer post 1980 beat either SRL or Hearns. The answer is no. I think McCallum has the best chance but probably isn't dynamic enough and loses comfortable decisions to either. Tito is my boy he has a punchers chance with Hearns but it's an unlikely chance.

I think the only Welterweights in history I'd favor over Hearns are Leonard, Robinson, Napoles and perhaps Gavilan and I think he's live with all of them.

Hearns is top 5 atg @ ww. That speak volumes as to who could actually beat him in his prime...

[chrisJS]

Hearns is top 5 atg @ ww. That speak volumes as to who could actually beat him in his prime...

I put him among the top 5 in terms of who can beat who but in terms of greatest welterweights I'd probably have him behind SRR, SRL, Gavilan, Napoles, Armstrong, Walker, Griffith and Ross. Not a knock on Hearns who's career overall probably exceeds some of those guys but 147 is insanely great.

[McNulty]

Could anyone do it between 147-154lb's?????

RJJ, Julian Jackson knock Hearns out cold under 3 rounds and so does a host of other fighters at 154. If you want to put Hearns at 160, McClellan bodies him. Hearns was best at 147. 154 was too big for him, dude was losing to the likes of Iran Barkely by TKO dude. Does that answer your question?

Floyd Jr. possibly beats SRL at 147. Pick 'em. Regardless if you hate Floyd or not, his defense would give anybody problems. Also, his ability to switch gears on a dime, very very rare indeed.

Any Joe could beat SRL at 154. Charlo could do it. SRL wasn't a 154 fighter. Young SRL would have been stopped by Norris. Didn't Norris say he carried Ray cuz he was his idol?

[The Viper]

Completely agree, Hearns is essentially a stylistic problem for any welterweight, but he’d be incredibly difficult for Floyd based on the size difference, Floyd’s lack of power at 147, and Floyd being most effective from long range. I agree he convincingly beats Mayweather via UD or stoppage.

Post 80’s I don’t think there’s anyone myself, they both outbox McCallum IMO. I’d give certain punchers a chance like Tito but I wouldn’t pick them to win.

As for who I’d pick to beat Hearns all time, I’d say Robinson stops him late, I’d give guys like Griffith, Napoles a fair chance but I think they face way too many physical disadvantages. So I’d probably still roll with Hearns in those matchups. Gavilan is an interesting fight, he was a bigger welter so wouldn’t have as huge of a size disadvantage and if he could manoeuvre his way inside could conceivably wear Hearns down. However Tommy’s jab would be a big problem for Gavilan IMO. That’s a real 50/50 fight IMO.

And as for SRL the only welter I’d pick to beat him is SRR and I still think that would be a close fight.

I agree with this 100%

[lolpz]

Yes, his boxing IQ is great. But how offensive would he have been against Hearns?

How would he have banked enough rounds to have gotten a decision, knowing that he was facing a huge boxer, with a devastating right hand?

How many openings would he have found?

It seems obvious to me, that although he may have enjoyed some success, overall, he'd have fought very defensively, looking to not get hurt.

I don't think he'd have fought in the manner that Benitez did.

If he can make Hearn miss and frustrate him from not being able to hit Mayweather, Mayweather can do enough himself to where he did MORE than Hearn. Even if it's "not much."

Pac barely threw punches against Mayweather, and Pac is a punching machine. Mayweather neutralized his offense, and did more then he did offensively which is how he won. As long as Mayweather can take your weapons away from you, the ball is in his court. Once it's in his court, he does whatever he feels like doing against you. He takes control, it's called ring generalship.

He also netrualized Canelo this way. (A much bigger man)

[robertzimmerman]

No chance Floyd beats Hearns! Anyone who disagrees go and watch SRL-Hearns 1 and explain how Floyd deals with that version of Hearns? How does he even get past the jab for a start? How does he get inside without getting busted up? Truth is: he doesn’t, Hearns has way too many physical tools over Floyd.

I agree entirely.

[robertzimmerman]

Yes, good call on the Body Snatcher. Julian Jackson would have a puncher's chance as well.

Yeah, that would have been interesting.

[robertzimmerman]

the body snatcher against sugar ray and hearns @ 154...?

hmmm...

i'll throw the body snatcher in there

Mike was great.

I think that he's very underrated these days.