Does any fighter post 1980 beat a 147-154lb prime SRL/Hearns????

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  • lolpz
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    #31
    Originally posted by robertzimmerman
    I'd say so at WW and JMW. They were also bigger.

    How would Floyd have gotten inside Tommy's range?

    Tommy would have kept him at bay, and Floyd wouldn't have wanted to have committed himself due to Tommy's huge power.

    Personally, I don't think Floyd would ever have taken the fight. But for the sake of argument, I think if he had have done, he'd have fought in a very defensive manner. I really can't envisage him possessing the confidence and the offense that Ray and Benitez took in the ring with them.

    Floyd was a true great. But he was at his peak at the lower weights. At WW and JMW, he was a safety first fighter with hand issues, who liked to steal rounds by pot shotting fighters who had smaller reaches and who weren't as fast.

    Tommy would have had zero respect for his power and he'd have walked forward with confidence. Both Ray and Tommy were horrible stylistic match ups for Floyd, but Tommy especially, would have been an absolute nightmare for him.
    Mayweather has high boxing IQ and he will exploit any opening he can find, take it, then defensively not allow you to get off the way you want to. He frustrates fighters, the same way Ward frustrated Kovalev(who's a great boxer with superior range and great jab and A level power)

    You're missing the mental aspect here.

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    • TonyGe
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      #32
      Originally posted by Cracaphat
      Put the pipe,alcohol or needle down.Mayweather, with his pot-shots couldn't beat either of them in his wettest of dreams.Couldn't get inside Hearns' jab and SRL could do anything May could and had the power to stop him which he lacked.
      Leonard's hand and foot speed would give Mayweather fits. Ray could punch. Hard.. Ray looked like a choirboy but he was a stone cold killer. Ray takes this.
      Tommy.. Forget about it. Tommy had a viscious jab and devastating power in the right hand. He had the reach of a light heavyweight and has never been outboxed. Mayweather didn't have the power really hurt Tommy. Tommy wins this one also.
      Last edited by TonyGe; 03-21-2018, 02:28 PM.

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      • Just looking
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        #33
        If Pacquiao and Lomachenko were big enough I would give them a shot, but things as they are, no, not a chance

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        • madsweeney
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          #34
          Not one mention of Winky Wright?!? I do think he does better against Hearns but his style/skill would be tough for either man.

          Also, honorable mention to the Viper, Forrest could hang and possibly win at his best.
          Last edited by madsweeney; 03-21-2018, 12:29 AM.

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          • Sheldon312
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            #35
            Originally posted by madsweeney
            Not one mention of Winky Wright?!? I do think he does better against Hearns but his style/skill would be tough for either man.

            Also, honorable mention to the Viper, Forrest could hang and possibly win at his best.
            I would favor Winky to beat Hearns and maybe even outbox Leonard. Wilfred was able to outbox Leonard before getting stopped and Winky is bigger, stronger, has a better Jab, equal defense, and he is a rock chin. Leonard and Hearns were great but they were not unbeatable.

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            • robertzimmerman
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              #36
              Originally posted by lolpz
              Mayweather has high boxing IQ and he will exploit any opening he can find, take it, then defensively not allow you to get off the way you want to. He frustrates fighters, the same way Ward frustrated Kovalev(who's a great boxer with superior range and great jab and A level power)

              You're missing the mental aspect here.
              Yes, his boxing IQ is great. But how offensive would he have been against Hearns?

              How would he have banked enough rounds to have gotten a decision, knowing that he was facing a huge boxer, with a devastating right hand?

              How many openings would he have found?

              It seems obvious to me, that although he may have enjoyed some success, overall, he'd have fought very defensively, looking to not get hurt.

              I don't think he'd have fought in the manner that Benitez did.

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              • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                #37
                Originally posted by lolpz
                mayweather outboxes both of them at 147.
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                • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by robertzimmerman
                  I can't envisage any scenario where he'd have beaten Tommy Hearns.
                  No chance Floyd beats Hearns! Anyone who disagrees go and watch SRL-Hearns 1 and explain how Floyd deals with that version of Hearns? How does he even get past the jab for a start? How does he get inside without getting busted up? Truth is: he doesn’t, Hearns has way too many physical tools over Floyd.

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                    #39
                    I think you’d have to give punchers (like Tito for example) a chance over Hearns purely because he could be hurt and he could had fighting at a high pace, but I’d favour Hearns over nearly everyone due to those freakish physical advantages.
                    SRL I think you can’t pick anyone over him tbh, I think Floyd gives him trouble but doesn’t beat him. SRL was so effective both offensively and defensively it’s hard to pick any of these modern day guys beating him

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                    • djtmal
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by robertzimmerman
                      Good shouts, but I'd have given McCallum a huge chance.
                      the body snatcher against sugar ray and hearns @ 154...?

                      hmmm...

                      i'll throw the body snatcher in there

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