WADA Accredited, Dr. BOER - Gives Opinion on CANELO Case

[Redd Foxx]

whatever, but the whole GGG fanbase agenda to squeeze every excuse out is on notice. Redd Foxx

#WAR CANELO!!

Not sure why I was tagged but I've seen DrBoer before commenting in some other capacity. He's legit and what he's saying is relevant.

Unfortunately, fans don't want to be bothered with thinking here. They just want to go with whatever suits the side they feel they belong to. While it's logical that one can ingest clen through beef, we also have to come to terms with the fact that some may manipulate the system. Frequent testing is really the only way to ensure an athlete is not violating.
If you have a clean test one week, a trace the next, and then clean, it's clear you're not receiving any benefit from PEDs.

[BattlingNelson]

lol. He was Director at the Lisbon WADA lab. He knows what he's talking about.

You are an idiot. Check your own op.

''...In the specific case of Saul Canelo Alvarez (Mexico/ clenbuterol/ trace amounts), it is highly unlikely that he had any benefits based on the data and facts presented. Also, with the multiple facts (Mexico/ clenbuterol/ trace amounts) just 2 weeks before a fight, one can also claim using the same arguments that having any benefits are very unlikely.

With only two facts (clenbuterol/ trace amounts) the discussion becomes more uncertain. I do not know how many days a preparation for a fight in professional boxing normally is, but I can imagine that it might take more than 100 days. In that case and in theory one can have beneficial effects from clenbuterol in the beginning of that 100 days period or depending when you take it, even have benefits at the end of that period. Therefore, one can use the same arguments for any scenario and depending which scenario you favor, one can use selectively certain opinions. However, I want to underline that for me even two weeks before a fight, that with trace amounts a scenario with any beneficial effect is not likely, also because the benefits of clenbuterol are overestimated.''

And as I showed, Victor Conte, the famous balco ped head honcho, called clenbuterol potent.

[icha]

If thats correct why is it even on the banned substance list in the first place?

This is the type of logic that I think proves the banned substance list needs to be reconsidered & restructured from the ground up.

free weed!!

[bigdunny1]

You are an idiot. Check your own op.

And as I showed, Victor Conte, the famous balco ped head honcho, called clenbuterol potent.

Laughing at you quoting him in an article but leaving out the key point that he later says he believes Canelo result was due to meat contamination. Conte is saying this can help a boxer especially on fight night or in days leading up to the weigh in. But you would need much higher amounts to have the benefits and you would need it during the sporting event...NOT 3 months out for a fighter not even in training camp. But here is Conte's full quote

https://sports.yahoo.com/canelo-alvarez-caught-embarrassing-situation-failed-ped-test-clenbuterol-222205202.html

“This is in fact a very potent and effective drug for a boxer. So, in the past, do I believe boxers intentionally used Clenbuterol to gain a competitive edge? I do.”

But Conte said he believes that this case is one stemming from meat contamination. He said Nevada is handling it much the same way that California handled Vargas’ case in 2016, by increasing its testing of Alvarez.

The concentration of Clenbuterol in Alvarez’s body was low, and that is significant, Conte said.

“When they say trace amounts, it’s way down in the parts per trillion,” Conte said. “You have parts per million, parts per billion and then parts per trillion. You have trace and then this would be called ultra-trace concentrations. So do I think this is likely it came from a contaminated meat source? I do.”

[bigdunny1]

Look what drug expert Memo had to say. Which is the same thing this guy is saying.

https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU

The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia.

The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco.

The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second.

"When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat.

"In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

"There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico."
If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand.

Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

[Vinnykin]

Even if an athlete used clenbuterol pre-camp to lose half a stone while retaining strength, and then went into camp able to train at a harder capacity and already stripped some weight.... that is an advantage.

Don't trust everything you hear from Doctors or officials, trust no one.

[SplitSecond]

This guy says this, conte says it's a "very potent drug" which can be "very beneficial during a boxers training period".

[Zaroku]

This guy says this, conte says it's a "very potent drug" which can be "very beneficial during a boxers training period".

My lil homie got strong at first, then b1tcs tttyx and then crazy..

Jhonny would never use ****roids to cheat. He is a MEXICAN.

[boliodogs]

I don't think the banned substance will help Canelo win. I think he will win or lose because he was better or worse than GGG on fight night. If someone wishes to believe that small amount of the PED in question months ago will make Canelo a much better fighter that is their choice. He will continue to test clean from now on and as a big fan of both Canelo and GGG I think it will be a fair fight on an even playing field. I hope the judging is also fair.

[KillaCamNZ]

She also says


My allergy medicine is on the banned substance list & all that sh^t does is make me sleepy. The banned substance list is kinda bs & it needs to be reconfigured.

I think amounts need to be considered on the banned substance list. And I think a lot of sh^t should be on a lower rung of penalty if its still on the list at all.

I believe the reason the banned substances list is so extensive, is not due to their direct effect on performance, but uses as a masking agent.

Clen is a known masking agent - take it off the list, and you're giving people a free pass to dope.

The implications of Canelo getting popped for Clen shouldn't be focused so much on the effects of Clen itself, but rather, the question it poses - what has Canelo been taking, that Clen covers up?

Gone are the days where you'd shoot test or deca and be done with it..nowadays, it's all about the stack. Cycling and combining. One drug is inevitably part of a chain of drugs - and testers are so far behind, there's really no hope in finding out how deep this **** runs.