Comments Thread For: Gennady Golovkin-Canelo Alvarez: Positive or Negative?

[angkag]

You know it's bad when members of your Curling team pop positive!

February 20, 2018:

Any way you sweep it, the doping scandal surrounding Russian Olympic curler Alexander Krushelnitsky is bizarre.

After a podium appearance at the 2018 Winter Olympics, he reportedly tested positive for meldonium, a drug that would have been crazy for any curler to take before an international competition. For one, the drug’s purported benefits ― increased blood flow and faster recovery after a workout ― don’t seem particularly necessary for curling, a sport in which some athletes were known to take smoke breaks mid-match...

WADA took aim at meldonium, developed in 1970 in Latvia, when it noticed that a number of professional athletes in the old Eastern Bloc were using it. A study of the 2015 European Games, published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, found a “high prevalence of meldonium use by athletes.” It found that 13 medal winners were on meldonium at the time, and 66 of 762 athletes tested positive for it.

Russians, meanwhile, were crazy for it. A study by the country’s anti-doping agency found that 17 percent of samples taken from 4,316 Russian athletes between October 2014 and February 2015 had traces of meldonium, according to the Times. When researchers looked at rugby players, that number skyrocketed to 53 percent.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b004fc31954e46

Yes that was quite memorable hearing that a member of the curling team tested positive.

Also been following talks of darts players getting random testing. I guess the days of Jocky Wilson falling off the stage drunk are no more.

[DblLFThooK]

Like it or not canelo tainted his legacy. Any athlete in any mjor sport whom has tested positive for peds had a tainted legacy. Just how it goes in the court of public opinion. Canelo will never be considered a great. If he is, the following sentence will remind all of this failed test.

[Gillie]

That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. I can understand Canelo fans and fight fans in general not wanting this to be true but you can't deny this doesn't reflect well on Canelo or the support. I sure hope they make a legitimate attempt to get to the bottom of it and it's not swept under the rug as this article suggests. Nothing would surprise me when it comes to boxing. Regardless of who you're rooting for, everyone should want an even playing field because without it, if the suspected fighter wins the fight, they will not get full credit for the victory and nor should they.
I hope it was just being careless and naive on Canelo's part as well so the fight goes on without controversy before the opening bell rings. We had enough controversy with Byrd's scorecard the first time around. We don't need any extra inconsistencies.

Good post bro. For the record, I am rooting for GGG although I think Canelo will pull it off in the rematch. I had Golovkin winning the first fight 7 rounds to 5. Peace.

[Kali_KO]

Hard to say if it’s from cycling off or from bad meat, as both would give the same test results. One important difference to this fight vs the last fight is they started the testing earlier and that could be why he tested positive. Either way, the NV needs to do an investigation and call Canelo in front of them to explain how that substance got into his system

[7not8]

Well the one think he could do is a hair follicle that’s go back even farther and just completely clear himself and any su****ion. Something tells me he doesn’t do that.

Even if he did a hair follicle test he and his team could say it was from other meat contaminations if any more positives were to show up. So, it's literally a free pass to use this drug so long as you use it in "meat contaminating" moderation. This sad excuse has to eventually stop.

[TonyGe]

I think that Canelo WILL show improvement..... and I think that improvement WILL win him the fight

I expect an improvement in tactics and performance

then I expect the " roided to the gills " excuse-makers to fall over themselves with rage, which will be hilarious

Your stuck on Golovkin staying static and Canelo improving. If he does improve and there hasn't been a proper explainstion/investigation of the test failure he won't get credit. Whether he actually improves is doubtful in my mind. There is no doubt that Golovkin will improve. He left his body punching at home for the first fight. It won't happen again.

[aboutfkntime]

Your stuck on Golovkin staying static and Canelo improving. If he does improve and there hasn't been a proper explainstion/investigation of the test failure he won't get credit.

Tony, it comes down to styles.....

1) Canelo shows improvement EVERY SINGLE FIGHT.....
..... Golovkin, does not..... if anything, he has looked limited and flat since he stepped up in competition with Brook

2) Canelo is a thinking fighter who relies on boxing skills to ply his trade..... Golovkin relies on pressure/power

Canelo is clearly a more well-rounded fighter than Golovkin, he has more to his game and he has better skills..... so I am positive that he will make the better adjustments..... EXACTLY like Ward did against Kovalev

you can attribute those improvements to whatever you like, and I am sure you will

Whether he actually improves is doubtful in my mind. There is no doubt that Golovkin will improve. He left his body punching at home for the first fight. It won't happen again.

that is just naive..... insinuating that Golovkin " forgot " to work the body, is quite frankly ridiculous

what, he forgot to work the body with Jacobs as well huh ?

Golovkin did everything that he could in both of those fights, the control of distance and threat of a counter made Golovkin keep them hands at home

as usual..... the better fighter will make the better adjustments

you are in for a big surprise

[Graz]

Golovkin will not be tentative in the rematch. Canelo has to hit and move to try to outsmart and outpoint him. Golovkin won’t let up so Canelo better shoot his load early as it’s likely he will gas out as the fight progresses. Golovkin will define his legacy one way or the other with this fight. He’s not going out quietly so Canelo better be ready to weather the storm. Negative connotation of course will be Canelo’s documented Peds usage. Positive will be if Golovkin is victorious despite that. A Canelo win will be suspect no matter how we spin it.

[aboutfkntime]

also, the 154.1 lb'ers will not like hearing this, but.....
..... Clenelo will be better/stronger at the weight..... pun intended lol

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin will not be tentative in the rematch.

why ?

what changed that will make tentative Golovkin, un-tentative Golovkin?

he was also tentative with Danny Jacobs

it was the control of distance and threat from a counter that made Golovkin tentative in those fights

we told you guys that Golovkin had been fighting scrubs

Canelo has to hit and move to try to outsmart and outpoint him. Golovkin won’t let up so Canelo better shoot his load early as it’s likely he will gas out as the fight progresses. Golovkin will define his legacy one way or the other with this fight. He’s not going out quietly so Canelo better be ready to weather the storm. Negative connotation of course will be Canelo’s documented Peds usage. Positive will be if Golovkin is victorious despite that. A Canelo win will be suspect no matter how we spin it.

there is no documented PED useage

there is a positive test result that 4x experts stated was consistent with meat contamination

when Pac avoided/obstructed drug tests, did it affect his legacy?

are Pac's wins over Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley, "suspect"?

if Canelo tests clean for the remainder of his career, it will be forgotten..... Povetkin, Ortiz, Browne, all tested positive more than once, and nobody even mentions it

I get your point, but you are going way overboard

Canelo volunteered for testing, heading into a super-fight..... Pac KILLED a super-fight by refusing to test for FIVE YEARS

that is NOT the same thing