Is Canelo never supposed to eat out at a restaurant again?

[SAINTSTEVE]

I would be interested to know if the average Mexican citizen has clenbuterol levels similar to Canelo and in these amounts do little to nothing in regards to giving him a competitive edge, then the fight should proceed as long as he passes his remaining tests sheesh!!

[bigdunny1]

You don’t need to feel bad about that. Levels of Clen of .0005 does nothing to the body. There are GMO’s that do worse in altering health for immune systems fighting stuff it doesn’t want inside since they are synthetics. Clen at the molecular level and alerting metabolism at around .0005 is much safer with the context of any health and food administration. What was your point? Boxing Regulation in Mexico is nothing like the USA. I wasn’t implying that they cheat

I agree most everyday Mexicans clearly have this in their body because the problem is rampant in their meat. It's just most people aren't being tested and likely don't care if there are small traces in their system. And according to WADA less then 1ng from meat contamination has little effect on your body. So I don't know the effects long term if any exists for people walking around unknowingly having this in their body. So i dont deny your overal point my question was where are you getting the .0005 number is there a study you are referencing?

[Illmatic94]

we don't even know if that was the source of the failed tests. that Mexican meat excuse is a convenient excuse for Mexican dopers. he was popping Clen pills.

[bigdunny1]

it's a fact.


explain why his levels are 15 times higher than the cyclist.

No drug testing agencies and drug experts have all stated it's a fact he had low traces. I'll take the experts words over yours lol

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports...222205202.html

The concentration of Clenbuterol in Alvarez’s body was low, and that is significant, Conte said.

“When they say trace amounts, it’s way down in the parts per trillion,” Conte said. “You have parts per million, parts per billion and then parts per trillion. You have trace and then this would be called ultra-trace concentrations. So do I think this is likely it came from a contaminated meat source? I do.”

Directly from WADA website stating their stance on meat contamination.

“We acknowledge that the clenbuterol meat contamination issue is unsatisfactory,” said Olivier Niggli, Director General, WADA. “Accordingly, since 2011, the Agency has carried out several research studies aimed at providing analytical means to distinguish ingestion of clenbuterol by pharmacological origin versus that of meat contamination,” he continued. “We will continue to invest in scientific research to try to solve this issue as quickly as possible,” Niggli continued. “However, in the meantime, we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary

Also from the link.

"All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases."

Canelo's results were between 0.6-0.8 and 0.06-0.08ng.


You keep bringing up 1 example of a cyclist like that means Canelo had a lot in his system. He didn't every test agency and drug expert says he have very little trace and unlike Contador he lives in a country that has meat contamination that's why his case is different and why contador was banned and numerous Mexican athletes or athletes who were in Mexico exposed to the meat werent. It's a major factor that you keep ignoring. The cyclist had no plausible excuse for how the substance got in his body and why he was suspended for even smaller traces then canelo. Look what drug expert Memo had to say. Which is the same conclusion Victor Conte and WADA.

https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/gen...#ixzz59CFfL8SU

The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia.

The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco.

The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second.

"When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat.

"In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

"There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico."
If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand.

Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

[turnedup]

I am sick and tired of this "should he not eat" bullshhhh. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS IN HIS BODY....He knows there is a problem with the food. So either choose "street food" (another bullshhh excuse) or fighting.

[BostonPitbull]

I agree most everyday Mexicans clearly have this in their body because the problem is rampant in their meat. It's just most people aren't being tested and likely don't care if there are small traces in their system. And according to WADA less then 1ng from meat contamination has little effect on your body. So I don't know the effects long term if any exists for people walking around unknowingly having this in their body. So i dont deny your overal point my question was where are you getting the .0005 number is there a study you are referencing?

Because we can’t assume all Mexicans are affected by tainted meat at levels of around .6

As far as I know they are heavy meat eaters. If it’s a culture where producers can exploit the system to sell cheaper over the industry prices while offering leaner meat, then surely every once in a while an average Mexican can hit up any small time rural stand vs buying meat from a super market. Because there’s so much meat buying from a country not regulated like the USA there’s bound to be shady selling all the time. I mean the USA glorifies the Mexican Drug trade with films and entertain its a basic acknowledgement that it’s meat industry is shady as well. The Mexican meat industry knows that the average person most likely has the .00006 levels of Clen on the average given that every once in a while they hit up a “taco stand” which has nothing to do with a super market distribution, and as if Canelo could give a facks about that.

Not saying that actual Clen use from Alvarez is dismissed, but nobody in industry is talking about the 80 days out as if this is normal. We had GGG vs Lemieux like two weeks out under the WBC VADA campaign for clean sport. We all need to be honest about foul play of 80 days vs 18 days Testing.

[icha]

I am sick and tired of this "should he not eat" bullshhhh. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS IN HIS BODY....He knows there is a problem with the food. So either choose "street food" (another bullshhh excuse) or fighting.

You have no idea what you are talking about. In mexico eating street food is extremely common, even wealthy people eat there. Also tainted meat also comes in the form of well established, high end restraunts, not just street vendors. Does it show negligence on his part for not knowing what's he is putting in his body? Maybe but who wants to do meat research when eating out anywhere.

of course canelo is responsible for what is in his body regardless, there is negligence on him or his team even know it wasnt during his training camp...
he needs to stay out of mexico as much as he can..

[WesternChamp]

he can eat where ever he wants and whatever he wants. just NOT during training for a fight!!!!

[WesternChamp]

beating a dead horse but how did they know it was gonna be a draw before hand??

[GhostofDempsey]

No troll grading for this thread? Fcvk it, D-