Comments Thread For: Scott Quigg Apologetic For Failing To Make Weight For Valdez

[john l]

Now, you're talking about something else entirely and seriously now, how often do we see coaches have candid conversations about weight in the days leading to the fight? It doesn't work that way.

What happens when a guy is in that situation is that he either goes for it and drains, or his team decides it's too great a risk (health-wise) and prefers to keep their guy safe. The later is usually decided in the hours before the weigh-in. Placing all this on Roach is a big reach.

All that said, I DO think it's a big *** up on the part of Quigg and his team and there should be appropriate penalties.

I don't blame it all on Roach.Quigg is most at fault.But I really disagree about coach not knowing weight in days before fight.And I know how it goes when their tight at weight but being that far over that dec was made before that few hours.There was NO WAY he and his team did not know at least a couple days.It might be diff if he was a big 26pder and had been cutting a lot for a while in that case sometimes body will shut down at end.But that's not the case imo.

[john l]

Yea something more should be up for grabs. What it should be is debatable.

20% isn't even THAT much. And the effed up thing on top of that is the guy who gots to fight this person only gets 10% of the 20%. Which in this case is only 10k. So Valdez, who made $400k last time (would guess he's getting similar tomorrow) gets bumped up to $410k-ish potentially, but the risk he's taking is certainly bigger than a 10k risk.

And there is always the "well don't fight then if you are worried about this" argument, but giving up 400k over 2.8lbs is a bit of a extreme decision too, but clearly that 10k isn't a good enough penalty.

Yea great point I was just going to say that.Why in gods sake would the commish get 10% that makes no sence.And yea Valdez is getting 450 I think.

[john l]

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...t-oscar-valdez

Damn looks like Valdez is getting effed over bigger than I thought.

Apparently Quigg is getting $500k with UK money, but his fine is only being taken out of his $100k official purse. Valdez should be getting $50k instead of $10k.

I think Valdez team will hold him up for more then just 20gs.

[Redd Foxx]

I don't blame it all on Roach.Quigg is most at fault.But I really disagree about coach not knowing weight in days before fight.And I know how it goes when their tight at weight but being that far over that dec was made before that few hours.There was NO WAY he and his team did not know at least a couple days.It might be diff if he was a big 26pder and had been cutting a lot for a while in that case sometimes body will shut down at end.But that's not the case imo.

No offense, but you are missing the basics of how this works. Weight is not just slowly tapered down in an even fashion. Fat is slowly trimmed, but water weight is rapidly lost in the hours before the fight, via dehydration. Sometimes, for various reasons, a fighter cannot dehydrate as much as anticipated. Your fighter goes to dehydrate the day/evening before and you might not find out until the next morning that it's simply not going to happen. Then, you make the choice to either have him go through a hard cut, or you decide it's unsafe and have him hold those extra couple lbs of water.

You're getting confused by the amount weight and thinking they MUST have known. No, that's typically water that they decided not to cut. Many guys cut MUCH more water than that in the 24 hrs leading up to the fight.

[jonnyc420]

Quigg probably knows he needs some kind of advantage over Valdez to get a win here.

[SceneBoxer]

Fuck Quigg. I pick him to win by KO since I thought he's the bigger man but I didn't expect him to come in this bigger unprofessionally.

My pick stays tho...

[ShoulderRoll]

Freddie The Joke Coach Roach should take a little bit of the blame.

He was talking much trash about how hard Quigg was training.

[Ghost Rider]

S**t happens.

Crazy how there isn’t a s**tstorm like when a Mexican misses weight doe.

[jjsmyth87]

Agree. Its always a worst look when a guy has recently moved up & comes in over. I can understand it more when a guy has been at a weight awhile & has gotten older/bigger & weight cutting is becoming more of an issue for him.

And yea I'm with the TS. I wouldn't have a problem with a more severe penalty (50%?, 75%?) being put on guys who come in over so THEY are the ones who have to consider opting out of a fight vs now when the guy who has done everything right has to consider opting out of a fight for safety reasons/the risk of fighting someone who didn't hurt his body as much by losing weight.

If they even took 40% of the purse Quigg would be left with nothing. After 2 months of training and putting his life on the line in a fight against a top caliber opponent Quigg deserves to get at least something. After Roach's 10% cut, 10-15% manager fee, another 5-10% on training camp nutritionist strength coach, now a 20 percent fine and add on a 40% tax to whatever is left he will probably only walk away with 100 grand or so from this fight as it stands. Theres no way they could fine him 50 percent let alone 75

[Eff Pandas]

If they even took 40% of the purse Quigg would be left with nothing. After 2 months of training and putting his life on the line in a fight against a top caliber opponent Quigg deserves to get at least something. After Roach's 10% cut, 10-15% manager fee, another 5-10% on training camp nutritionist strength coach, now a 20 percent fine and add on a 40% tax to whatever is left he will probably only walk away with 50 grand or so from this fight. Theres no way they could fine him 50 percent let alone 75

I'm just saying it should be bigger to put more pressure on the guy missing weight to opt out of the fight &/or more punishment vs the extra risk to the guy who made weight.

I think the guy making weight is getting too lil (10% of the fine) for the extra risk he's taking on & the guy who missed weight isn't getting as short an end of the stick as I feel he should get here.

A lot of boxing is about fighting at the agreed upon weight for fairness & safety reasons. If you aren't doing that idk that I feel 20% is a big enough penalty.