Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz: Afterthoughts

[juggernaut666]

Okay, I’m going to have to rant, you’re probably right to skip this post and read the next one ;0)

Some of you guys are a promoters dream. Ortiz is not 38, let’s think about that for a second, let’s say he’s 42-45 (and be kind), which boxer in the history of the sport could seriously be considered world class HW at this age? Wlad isn’t even that old and most say he’s washed up, Foreman was picked up one slice of a title from a starved of talent division, but let’s be fair he’s 1. A freak and 2. in most people’s top 25 of best all time HW lists.

Now let’s take into account Ortiz hasn’t really fought anyone before Wilder. In his 40s and still had ‘potential’. Bemoan his lack of promotion, that he’s ‘feared’ or ‘geared’ and it’s all got in his way, his record is pretty much trash.

Ortiz has been sold as feared, dangerous, a monster ‘king kong’ it’s all just marketing and everyone lapped it up because they want Wilder to finally prove himself. The sad truth is, Wilder is desperately in need of credibility after 40 f’in fights! I don’t dislike him, I really don’t but he has to beat AJ for me to believe in him cos whilst he got a good win, for me it was promotional BS, Ortiz is not that special and he is old.

With Wilder what irks me is simply this, he isn’t a good boxer. That right hand veils a litany of poor boxing form and boxing decisions and because I love the sport, I want him to be found out. Let’s be clear, not because I dislike him, because I love the sport, because I believe boxing technicians win in the end and he isn’t one.

How do you think Marciano won against the top guys ?

You dont have to be a technician and age is irrelevant if you have no actual evidence against Ortiz to prove outside of Joshua you will find a more difficult opponent to defeat at the moment .

Wilder doesn't dictate the blue print for winning ,hes effective bc he just happens to be 6'7 and can punch and be athletic !

Ortiz could still defeat him ,how can he not ? He won 7 rnds and nearly TKO 'd Wilder . Its not a conclusion that Wilder is overly better , youve been posting for months on finding loop holes in Ortiz , really there is none beyond anyone bringing up age ....what about actual boxing doe ?

[Holler]

With Wilder what irks me is simply this, he isn’t a good boxer. That right hand veils a litany of poor boxing form and boxing decisions and because I love the sport, I want him to be found out. Let’s be clear, not because I dislike him, because I love the sport, because I believe boxing technicians win in the end and he isn’t one.

I agree with this. I like Wilder, at least the more reflective guy in this interview https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...is-gravy-train

rather than the version we've been getting recently. I thought the Ortiz fight was very exciting, but I came away amazed at how rudimentary Wilder's technique remained after so many pro fights. I get that his power and athleticism is a big equaliser, but ultimately I've always preferred the guys who use superior boxing skills over brute force. Give me Ali over Foreman any day.

[slimPickings]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda......blah , blah , blah....

40-0, 39KOs and counting is NO accident!!!

[champion4ever]

Okay, I’m going to have to rant, you’re probably right to skip this post and read the next one ;0)

Some of you guys are a promoters dream. Ortiz is not 38, let’s think about that for a second, let’s say he’s 42-45 (and be kind), which boxer in the history of the sport could seriously be considered world class HW at this age? Wlad isn’t even that old and most say he’s washed up, Foreman was picked up one slice of a title from a starved of talent division, but let’s be fair he’s 1. A freak and 2. in most people’s top 25 of best all time HW lists.

Now let’s take into account Ortiz hasn’t really fought anyone before Wilder. In his 40s and still had ‘potential’. Bemoan his lack of promotion, that he’s ‘feared’ or ‘geared’ and it’s all got in his way, his record is pretty much trash.

Ortiz has been sold as feared, dangerous, a monster ‘king kong’ it’s all just marketing and everyone lapped it up because they want Wilder to finally prove himself. The sad truth is, Wilder is desperately in need of credibility after 40 f’in fights! I don’t dislike him, I really don’t but he has to beat AJ for me to believe in him cos whilst he got a good win, for me it was promotional BS, Ortiz is not that special and he is old.

With Wilder what irks me is simply this, he isn’t a good boxer. That right hand veils a litany of poor boxing form and boxing decisions and because I love the sport, I want him to be found out. Let’s be clear, not because I dislike him, because I love the sport, because I believe boxing technicians win in the end and he isn’t one.

How exactly is Joshua going to neutralize Wilder? He is going to out box him, knock him out, close the distance in the ring. I just don't see it.

Many of you guys seem to believe that Joshua is some type of ring technician which he is not. He doesn't have no where near the amateur experience of a Luis Ortiz. "The Real King Kong is a scientific boxer/puncher. He shut Wilder down for 4 straight rounds in a row. Wilder didn't so much as to attempt to throw a single punch in each of those rounds.

Joshua doesn't stand a chance against Wilder in my opinion. He lacks the fundamentals and pedigree of a Luis Ortiz. "The Real King Kong" Luis Ortiz will be the closest of anyone we will ever see in defeating Deontay Wilder at the present moment. Nobody else comes close to touching him.

[Redgloveman]

How exactly is Joshua going to neutralize Wilder? He is going to out box him, knock him out, close the distance in the ring. I just don't see it.

Many of you guys seem to believe that Joshua is some type of ring technician which he is not. He doesn't have no where near the amateur experience of a Luis Ortiz. "The Real King Kong is a scientific boxer/puncher. He shut Wilder down for 4 straight rounds in a row. Wilder didn't so much as to attempt to throw a single punch in each of those rounds.

Joshua doesn't stand a chance against Wilder in my opinion. He lacks the fundamentals and pedigree of a Luis Ortiz. "The Real King Kong" Luis Ortiz will be the closest of anyone we will ever see in defeating Deontay Wilder at the present moment. Nobody else comes close to touching him.

Joshua has major flaws in his game, but his fundamentals are good. Say what you like about London 2012 but he was a very successful amateur boxer.

I'd love to see Ortiz fight the loser of Joshua v Parker. That would give us an insight into how good Ortiz really is.

[sportbuddha]

How exactly is Joshua going to neutralize Wilder? He is going to out box him, knock him out, close the distance in the ring. I just don't see it.

Many of you guys seem to believe that Joshua is some type of ring technician which he is not. He doesn't have no where near the amateur experience of a Luis Ortiz. "The Real King Kong is a scientific boxer/puncher. He shut Wilder down for 4 straight rounds in a row. Wilder didn't so much as to attempt to throw a single punch in each of those rounds.

Joshua doesn't stand a chance against Wilder in my opinion. He lacks the fundamentals and pedigree of a Luis Ortiz. "The Real King Kong" Luis Ortiz will be the closest of anyone we will ever see in defeating Deontay Wilder at the present moment. Nobody else comes close to touching him.

I actually don’t know if AJ wins, it’s a great match up. The reason I mentioned his name as I think it would convince me of Wilders quality because I see Wilder, Parker, AJ and Fury (when fit) and Povetkin as the only proven tests out there. And yes because he’s not burnt out I think Parker is up there but only just.

Brw I agree Ortiz was Wilders best opponent to date, I’m just not sure what that means based on his background.

[sportbuddha]

How do you think Marciano won against the top guys ?

You dont have to be a technician and age is irrelevant if you have no actual evidence against Ortiz to prove outside of Joshua you will find a more difficult opponent to defeat at the moment .

Wilder doesn't dictate the blue print for winning ,hes effective bc he just happens to be 6'7 and can punch and be athletic !

Ortiz could still defeat him ,how can he not ? He won 7 rnds and nearly TKO 'd Wilder . Its not a conclusion that Wilder is overly better , youve been posting for months on finding loop holes in Ortiz , really there is none beyond anyone bringing up age ....what about actual boxing doe ?

I’ve been saying it for months because it’s my point of view and I’m not a troll.

Actual boxing, he’s an awkward south paw, strong, good amateur record. And he looked a better ‘boxer’ than Wilder. But he hasn’t done anything much in the pros. The age matters, 15 years ago he’d have slick countered, moved better, sharper reflexes, look at Mayweather, physical specimen and at 40 he’s slowed down enough for a novice boxer to hit him, Ortiz is not in that league, age has to be considered.

And yeah I know officially he’s 38 but come on, look at him, he’d have to been breaking rocks in the dessert for half is life and other half on a sail ship in a perpetual storm to look like that.

[champion4ever]

Brw I agree Ortiz was Wilders best opponent to date, I’m just not sure what that means based on his background.

It means the man knows how to fight. He beat Wilder up in that ring. He neutralized Deontay's jab, he walked him down, was beating him both to the jab and the punch. At times Ortiz had Wilder looking lost and confused in that ring. Besides, "The Real King Kong" had damn near over 400 amateur fights. His amateur pedigree and fundamentals is what made that fight so compelling and exhilarating.

[sportbuddha]

It means the man knows how to fight. He beat Wilder up in that ring. He neutralized Deontay's jab, he walked him down, was beating him both to the jab and the punch. At times Ortiz had Wilder looking lost and confused in that ring. Besides, "The Real King Kong" had damn near over 400 amateur fights. His amateur and fundamentals is what made that fight so compelling and exhilarating.

Yeah I know all that, and he was definitely the better boxer, but there's heaps of great amateurs that never did much in the pro's and he's kind of one of them. He's never held a belt or even been in a title fight before and his record is a bit underwhelming, not saying it's his fault, bad promotion or whatever, but it is what it is. By the time he's had a shot he's old, and it made a difference. But, props to him, definitely a skilled guy. I just can't reconcile that now it means Wilder is much better in the division. Anyway, I don't want to sound like a Wilder hater, so maybe he is now top of the tree, lets see.

[juggernaut666]

I’ve been saying it for months because it’s my point of view and I’m not a troll.

Actual boxing, he’s an awkward south paw, strong, good amateur record. And he looked a better ‘boxer’ than Wilder. But he hasn’t done anything much in the pros. The age matters, 15 years ago he’d have slick countered, moved better, sharper reflexes, look at Mayweather, physical specimen and at 40 he’s slowed down enough for a novice boxer to hit him, Ortiz is not in that league, age has to be considered.

And yeah I know officially he’s 38 but come on, look at him, he’d have to been breaking rocks in the dessert for half is life and other half on a sail ship in a perpetual storm to look like that.

This entire post can be summed up....

Foreman vs Moorer !


You CANT take away a fighters ranking or status bc of a OPINION , that involves age as the reason when Ortiz DID almost defeat a prime champion no matter how many posts you make .

The NOW shows he is very much a threat to anyone he fights even if he was 100 ..... lol