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Main events needs to build both fighters up and then pass the torch to the young guy when he is ready. Smart play.
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Bivol would beat Kovalev right now. And in a year if that is what it takes to "up his profile".
Eleider Alvarez is the mandatory for life for Stevenson's belt and gets free money to step aside once every 4-6 months, so no way he gives that up. Jack/Stevenson winner is mandated to fight him so scratch him as a choice.
Even if Beterbiev can fight Kovalev or Bivol, my instinct is he won't. He has a chance for a couple easy paydays, so unless the offer is too good to refuse he is probably off the list.
Gvozdyk fights on the 17th, so we will see. Is he ready at 14-0 and not really tested? I like him for either fighter, but would rather see him in a fun match-up with Bivol if he is interested.
Joe Smith JR. is not bankable at this point. He needs a come back victory after his jaw is healed. Off the list.
Marcus Browne? I am down for that for either. There are some other non-impressive names out there like 15-0 Brit Anthony Yarde or the 30-2 Edwin Rodriguez whose records would warrant a shot and might jump at the paychecks, but who do nothing for either man's current standing.Comment
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Yeah, that's the reason all these overrated Haymon fighters keep ducking. Keep telling yourself that. Duva was "intelligent" enough to make a deal with Stevenson's promoter that they both agreed to, then Stevenson/Haymon killed it. She was intelligent enough to make what Beterbiev's promoter called a "fair offer" to fight Kovalev but Haymon presumably is the one who killed it. Remember when Quillin dropped the belt instead of facing Korobov? Remember how Alvarez dropped out of the eliminator vs Gvozdyk? Neither Korobov or Gvozdyk were or are working with Duva, so the only constant here is Al Haymon, and his boxers. Those are the guys who constantly duck no matter WHO the other promoter is. Not Duva. Duva's biggest fighter Sergey Kovalev agreed to fight Beterbiev and Andre Ward in back to back fights. No other boxer in the sport has that brazenly played Russian Roulette with their career in as long as I've followed boxing. They obviously believed in Kovalev a whole lot back then, and the idea that the best should fight the best. Haymon has never believed in that idea, and I don't think he's ever believed in any of his boxers that much either, to fight the best puncher in your division and the bet boxer (supposedly) in your division back to back, in what happens to be the best division in boxing. At least, no Haymon boxer has ever, ever done that, so all we can judge on is the facts, and the fact is none of his boxers have EVER done that.Originally posted by Eff Pandas View PostComment
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Kov isn’t gonna get any bigger. He’s just not a draw here.Originally posted by Deletrious View PostComment
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Quillin dropped the belt cause pbc was just about to start. And there was a purse bid for Adonis vs kov. But we all know who was the one to drop out of itOriginally posted by Boxing Logic View PostComment
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Originally Posted by Mammoth View Post
Bivol could beat up weak ass Joe Smith Jr. I hate that guy.
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'Weak' because his jaw was broken recently? Or 'weak' because you just don't like him?
Oh, okay. LOLOriginally posted by Mammoth View Post
I guess he isn't the greatest boxer, but he does have fight ending power. So that must mean 'weak' to you. LOLComment
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Agreed except that Stevenson/Beterbiev bull**** dragged on for years. It's march now, Kovalev-Bivol will probably happen within 16 months of their first show together on HBO. I agree though that marination rarely does as much good as they want it to though, and is often a waste of time ruining the sport. What they need is social media teams to just go back and forth for a few months like Loma-Rigo and even Loma-Linares. That does way more than marinating the fight for 16 months which really just means 3 or 4 nights when they fight. If all you haev is them fight one night 3-4 times over a year and a half, and then it's quiet the rest of the time, all you've really done is wasted a year and a half to do 4 nights of work. What they really need is a constant build up online going back and forth every single day for just 3 or 4 months, and then boom you're going to have it marinated twice as good as if you'd wasted a year and a half.Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
But these promoters dont seem to understand ****. With that said, I wouldn't mind Bivol getting more experience so long as he commits to fighting Kovalev in the near future. Just like I wouldnt mind Tank getting more experience before Loma. The difference between those situations is Tank won't commit to ever facing Loma in his prime. They are full on ducking experience or not. And that in a nutshell is the difference between Haymon and the other promoters, as well as the difference between the Stevenson/Beterbiev situation and this one. Haymon had them on the same cards but apparently NEVER intended to have them fight, just like they never intend to have Tank fight Loma. When Haymon doesnt believe in a boxer, he will simply never make the fight vs the guy who is better than them, never ever ever at least not until they are old and the equation changes. Duva on the other hand knows Kovalev might lose to Bivol, but she will still make the fight. In fact Kovalev has a better shot of winning if they make it next yet she is still going to wait and let Bivol get more experience. That shows the difference.Last edited by Boxing Logic; 03-06-2018, 11:48 PM.Comment
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...against each other?
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we all know who refused to fight for years when he could have accepted the same offer as the purse bid. oh well he got in those fonfara, bika, karpency fights. great job. according to you if a guy doesnt do everything possible to make a fight hes ducking yet if the other guy doesnt fight for years its ok because you can always point to hte one moment where the other guy had his one chance lolOriginally posted by BufordTannen View PostComment
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