Comments Thread For: Liam Smith on Canelo's Positive Test: It's Beyond a Joke Now!

[chubuk7]

This fight will likely still happen due to the revenue it will create for Vegas. And both fighters the sponsors etc. Too bad because as an Alvarez fan it casts a shadow on the result of the fight.
If he kayos 3G then ppl will say he was juiced. Definitely a bad look for Canelo. This shouldn't happen to world class athletes with the tainted meat explanation. Too bad.

Do not worry,
Canelo gonna gas out and get stopped meat or no meat.

[chrisJS]

The New York Times’s Juliet Macur, reporting on the Contador case, wrote the following in Sept 2010:

“Fernando Ramos, a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal who has studied clenbuterol contamination in meat for 20 years, said it was highly unlikely that Contador tested positive from eating meat other than liver, noting that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.

“When asked what the chances were that Contador’s positive test, even at such low levels, was a result of the meat he ate, Ramos said, 'I can say 99% it's impossible'.

Ramos says it’s possible to ingest detectable amounts of clenbuterol from livestock—but only if you eat the liver of the animal, “where clenbuterol is known to accumulate.” And then you would get terribly ill.".

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/sp...ontador&st=cse

[Butch.McRae]

The New York Times’s Juliet Macur, reporting on the Contador case, wrote the following in Sept 2010:

“Fernando Ramos, a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal who has studied clenbuterol contamination in meat for 20 years, said it was highly unlikely that Contador tested positive from eating meat other than liver, noting that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.

“When asked what the chances were that Contador’s positive test, even at such low levels, was a result of the meat he ate, Ramos said, 'I can say 99% it's impossible'.

Ramos says it’s possible to ingest detectable amounts of clenbuterol from livestock—but only if you eat the liver of the animal, “where clenbuterol is known to accumulate.” And then you would get terribly ill.".

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/sp...ontador&st=cse

Well there it is. Full blown drug use on display here. Thanks for pulling this from a solid source.

[filup79]

Vargas, Morales and now Canelo have all tested positive for the same thing and claim the tainted meat excuse. If that's the case wouldn't many more Mexican fighters be testing positive for tainted meat? Ironically all those 3 fighters have one thing in common, promoted by Oscar's GBP and all 3 pretty much got away with the meat excuse.

[filup79]

shouldn't be a blanket statement but aside from the ones you mentioned, Orlando salido has tested positive, so did morales and he used the same tainted beef excuse, and also Chavez jr.

Ironically Canelo was putting Chavez JR on blast during the lead up of their fight for a failed drug test. Yet Canelo gets busted for the exact same thing.

[mrlopez]

If you think about Canelo, the guy has millions in the bank, would he actually eat any old meat? I would say it would be the finest organic meat. Especially in boxing you keep toxic foods completely out of your diet to allow optimal performance?
I believe Victor Conte said it best. A 6 month time frame, roid for 3 and by training camp/fight time its gone. Total B.S. A bad calculation is what i see her.

Great points and conclusion

Do not worry,
Canelo gonna gas out and get stopped meat or no meat.

The Clen was supposed to help that lmao

The New York Times’s Juliet Macur, reporting on the Contador case, wrote the following in Sept 2010:

“Fernando Ramos, a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal who has studied clenbuterol contamination in meat for 20 years, said it was highly unlikely that Contador tested positive from eating meat other than liver, noting that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.

“When asked what the chances were that Contador’s positive test, even at such low levels, was a result of the meat he ate, Ramos said, 'I can say 99% it's impossible'.

Ramos says it’s possible to ingest detectable amounts of clenbuterol from livestock—but only if you eat the liver of the animal, “where clenbuterol is known to accumulate.” And then you would get terribly ill.".

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/sp...ontador&st=cse

CONelo gossssum splaining to do!

[4truth]

The fight will go on of course, what are Golovkin's choices? On the positive side, Canelo presumably can't use the same excuse twice so maybe he comes into this fight clean. I'm guessing that this was not the case the first time and that they've had this "mulligan" in their back pocket just in case whatever they are doing to hide PED use didn't quite work.

My question is this, will Canelo reap any benefits from his PED use after being clean for 2 months? I'm thinking No.

[landotter]

Only athletes from contaminate meat countries get away with testing positive for clen.

“We acknowledge that the clenbuterol meat contamination issue is unsatisfactory,” said Olivier Niggli, Director General, WADA. “Accordingly, since 2011, the Agency has carried out several research studies aimed at providing analytical means to distinguish ingestion of clenbuterol by pharmacological origin versus that of meat contamination,” he continued. “We will continue to invest in scientific research to try to solve this issue as quickly as possible,” Niggli continued. “However, in the meantime, we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary

Thanks for that. Anything that clears this up now that Alvarez is involved is a breath of needed fresh air. If I read that correctly, the results between the tainted meat samples found in meat is scientifically unable to be discerned from the actual PED used by cheats.

Makes sense that this is an issue then. So long as only trace amounts exist, anyone can claim the tainted meat and there is zero way to prove otherwise.

[landotter]

...I've been thinking about this too...Canelo, a world-class athlete and millionaire...eating tainted meat? Bullcrap, he doesn't eat meat from the "mercado," or the carniceria, he has chefs, and eats the best organic food in all of Mejico..if you believe he eats at the corner taqueria in the colonia, or the barrio, I got really hot jalapeños I wanna sell to you in Guaynabo, Puerto Rico!!! They got caught cheating, and should be banned!!!

I think you may be taking the conversation to far. You, and several others, are now assuming all on your own you know his social, weekend, eating, and nutrition habits? He lives in a high castle looking down upon the unwashed masses, never goes out to eat, never grabs a steak at a childhood friends house on a Saturday night?

I really want to stick to facts. I do NOT want to become a Alvarez defender, but we truly do not have a pattern of cheating from him (yet). There is an acknowledged problem with beef being tainted with a steroid used on the cattle that also shows up in urine in testing. Until we know more, would it kill everyone to hope for the best?

I want to see Trip G win in the ring, not be denied his chance due to a trace amount of near nothing.

[chubuk7]

you can go eat at chillis in mexico and doesnt mean is always safe from clenbuterol, if you live in mexico you will have to raise your own cows to be safe, that or become a vegan... it doesnt mean that every place has contaminated meat, but it could be anywhere from a fancy restaurant to a taco stand, of course the more expensive the less posibilities , but there is always the risk.. still less unlikely for rich people to get contaminated meat than it is for everybody else, but ****t still happens and canelo can only blame him self even if it was the meat..

Chillis? Hah...No wonder he was promising that 100% knock out lol. He was eating that good meat. Steak, beans and guacamole. lmao