Comments Thread For: Wilder-Ortiz Showtime's Highest-Rated Fight Since Wilder-Stiverne

[champion4ever]

Congrats to both Showtime, Deontay Wilder and Luis Ortiz for putting on such a hell of a card and great fight. As a boxing fan I couldn't have been more proud.

[killakali]

I just want to add that this does not include Showtime app views. I was watching both cards. HBO on TV and Wilder v. Ortiz on my phone. (My brother in another state was too).

And people wonder why Espinoza got a promotion? Lol

Wilder is ready for the PPV money now. Let's not forget the attendance was 14,069 people. Second highest in the history of boxing at Barclays Center.

He got the juice now lol

depends on the opponent. Wilder vs Joshua is ppv worthy. Wilder vs breazle, martin, miller etc doesn’t crack 100k buys. He does big numbers vs perceived threats. Won’t do big numbers vs random guys like floyd and Manny and Canelo were able to do vs lesser opponents

[Marvlus Marv]

Questions about Deyonce's chin were answered alright - dude gets rocked easy. When AJ taps his chin, no way those stilts will be holding him up.

[Fire4231]

Wonder how accurate these numbers are. We had 10 people who didn’t have Showtime subscriptions at our house to watch the fight. How do they determine actual viewership? Either way this fight created real ground swell for Wilder. Casuals love heavy weights and the room kept commenting on how they missed seeing the giants go at it. Was a great look for boxing and fans are chomping at the bit for more. Deontay and AJ are the most consistent (yet vulnerable) destructive forces in boxing. We have all the ingredients of a superfight amongst boxing gods if the promotional parties get their head out of their arse and don’t quiver when it comes to pulling the trigger. Hearn is so worried about the money he may lose, that he may lose track of the money they will gain for making the fight happen and setting up a rematch or two. For idiots screaming Pac/Horn did 4 million on free tv... Spence vs Bundu did 5 million on free tv. So what are you saying bro. These are phenomenal ratings for Showtime and HBO would have killed off Lederman to have these numbers. Stop being a fan boy and enjoy the rise of boxing’s heavyweights. Boxing is killing the game because Showtime is staging nothing but quality fights!!!

[Butch.McRae]

After thinking about the attendance and these ratings a little more. Don't be surprised if T-Mobile Arena starts being thrown around in talks for Wilder v. Joshua. (If Parker doesn't spoil things).

1. That live gate does over $20 million tomorrow if the fight is announced. That's nearly twice the live gate for Joshua v. Klitchsko btw. (Alvarez v. GGG did $27 million with 17.5k tickets sold).

2. The British PPV crowd would still come in north of 1 million buys. (They've done it for all of AJ's last three fights, and the same is true for Mayweather for comparison. Mayweather v. McGregor has the record at above 1.5 million in the UK)

3. The sponsorship number would likely be close to $10 million for the fight in Vegas.

4. The wildcard is the number of US PPV buys. I think the floor would be 300k, with a ceiling of 1.2 million depending promotional quality.

Based on this, there might be an argument for more money being in Vegas due to the US PPV buys pulling in the additional money that can't be captured if the fight was held in the UK.

Obviously 18k fans in T-Mobile isn't the same as 90k screaming brits, but financially it appears things are leaning towards the US. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Snoop Frog]

Wonder how accurate these numbers are. We had 10 people who didn’t have Showtime subscriptions at our house to watch the fight. How do they determine actual viewership? Either way this fight created real ground swell for Wilder. Casuals love heavy weights and the room kept commenting on how they missed seeing the giants go at it. Was a great look for boxing and fans are chomping at the bit for more. Deontay and AJ are the most consistent (yet vulnerable) destructive forces in boxing. We have all the ingredients of a superfight amongst boxing gods if the promotional parties get their head out of their arse and don’t quiver when it comes to pulling the trigger. Hearn is so worried about the money he may lose, that he may lose track of the money they will gain for making the fight happen and setting up a rematch or two. For idiots screaming Pac/Horn did 4 million on free tv... Spence vs Bundu did 5 million on free tv. So what are you saying bro. These are phenomenal ratings for Showtime and HBO would have killed off Lederman to have these numbers. Stop being a fan boy and enjoy the rise of boxing’s heavyweights. Boxing is killing the game because Showtime is staging nothing but quality fights!!!

+1

Wilder is the one guy my boxing casual buddies ask about. Well, besides the Floyd vs. Conor show.

[Butch.McRae]

Wonder how accurate these numbers are. We had 10 people who didn’t have Showtime subscriptions at our house to watch the fight. How do they determine actual viewership? Either way this fight created real ground swell for Wilder. Casuals love heavy weights and the room kept commenting on how they missed seeing the giants go at it. Was a great look for boxing and fans are chomping at the bit for more. Deontay and AJ are the most consistent (yet vulnerable) destructive forces in boxing. We have all the ingredients of a superfight amongst boxing gods if the promotional parties get their head out of their arse and don’t quiver when it comes to pulling the trigger. Hearn is so worried about the money he may lose, that he may lose track of the money they will gain for making the fight happen and setting up a rematch or two. For idiots screaming Pac/Horn did 4 million on free tv... Spence vs Bundu did 5 million on free tv. So what are you saying bro. These are phenomenal ratings for Showtime and HBO would have killed off Lederman to have these numbers. Stop being a fan boy and enjoy the rise of boxing’s heavyweights. Boxing is killing the game because Showtime is staging nothing but quality fights!!!

Neilsen tracks the number of TVs tuned in for viewership numbers. (Not app views or streams) There's a multiplier used to determine eyeballs watching.

For example, the Mayweather v Mcgregor fight had over 4 million buys, but it was estimated 100 million people saw the fight.

[TheCell8]

Good numbers

[killakali]

After thinking about the attendance and these ratings a little more. Don't be surprised if T-Mobile Arena starts being thrown around in talks for Wilder v. Joshua. (If Parker doesn't spoil things).

1. That live gate does over $20 million tomorrow if the fight is announced. That's nearly twice the live gate for Joshua v. Klitchsko btw. (Alvarez v. GGG did $27 million with 17.5k tickets sold).

2. The British PPV crowd would still come in north of 1 million buys. (They've done it for all of AJ's last three fights, and the same is true for Mayweather for comparison. Mayweather v. McGregor has the record at above 1.5 million)

3. The sponsorship number would likely be close to $10 million for the fight in Vegas.

4. The wildcard is the number of US PPV buys. I think the floor would be 300k, with a ceiling of 1.2 million depending promotional quality.

Based on this, there might be an argument for more money being in Vegas due to the US PPV buys pulling in the additional money that can't be captured if the fight was held in the UK.

Obviously 18k fans in T-Mobile isn't the same as 90k screaming brits, but financially it appears things are leaning towards to the US. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

u forgot a couple factors. First the tickets will be cheaper than Canelo ggg so it would not do 20 million. Canelo GGG is the third highest gate in Nevada history and Canelo has been a ppv star and ggg also drew great ratings. Second we can’t be sure they sell 18k tickets. Barclays usually gives a ton of tickets away for their fights. I suspect they didn’t have to give many away for the Ortiz fight but we don’t know for sure.

[Butch.McRae]

+1

Wilder is the one guy my boxing casual buddies ask about. Well, besides the Floyd vs. Conor show.

Same here. After the Stiverne 2 knockout, they're all interested.