Joshua v. Wilder is simple

[techliam]

You are asking (without actually asking) Wilder's Team to put out a lower number just to appease AJ. You wouldn't do that so don't ask Wilder to.

We agree AJ is the draw and A side. But its silly to think anyone would undervalue themselves.

what pro athlete do you know that comes in with a low contract request offer?
None!! they ask for more than they are worth. They get an offer lower than their worth. then they settle on a number.

So negotiate with yourself without a response from AJ to the 50/50 offer? Seriously Robbie you are just being silly for silly's sake.

No one in their right mind would devalue themselves in that fashion.

No one is asking Aj to accept that offer to prove he wants to fight Wilder. I am saying RESPOND to the offer to show you want the fight.

Same they did with Parker.

Question-why the difference in tactics between Parker and Wilder?

Really?

Wilder has only just obtained a feather in his cap, in terms of resume. Joshua is about to fight for his 3rd belt. Let the Joshua-Parker fight take place first, and then observe the negotiations going forward.

Why would they be negotiating now when he has a fight coming up? At the end of the day, 1 punch can end a fight at HW, so there's no use for Hearn being complacent.

Making such conclusions when there really hasn't been a prime time for negotiations (for the Undisputed Championship, with Wilder having an actual noteworthy win) is pretty silly..

[The Big Dunn]

Really?

Wilder has only just obtained a feather in his cap, in terms of resume. Joshua is about to fight for his 3rd belt. Let the Joshua-Parker fight take place first, and then observe the negotiations going forward.

Why would they be negotiating now when he has a fight coming up? At the end of the day, 1 punch can end a fight at HW, so there's no use for Hearn being complacent.

Making such conclusions when there really hasn't been a prime time for negotiations (for the Undisputed Championship, with Wilder having an actual noteworthy win) is pretty silly..

You'd have a valid point about negotiating except they have been with Miller according to multiple sources. I agree with your point about 1 punch-which seems to be why the Wilder fight isn't next seeing as IMO AJ is better in every way.

With all due respect, I made no conclusions. I made a point based on the facts as we know them.

I just want the fight next, as do many people. It appears that Miller is next which is something we should all be upset about.

[The Big Dunn]

The fight is going to happen

This 'Joshua is ducking Wilder' is embarrassing on the part of the people who think that. Have a good look at yourselves..

Sky have been building this fight up for a while. Wilder beating Ortiz was on the front page of BBC Sport, again highlighting how the British sports media are gearing up for it. Then again, its mostly the uninformed American crowd spewing such things out, in the name of blind and uneducated nationalism.

Wilder should be willing to accept no more than 40%, with the fight taking place at Wembley Stadium. Hearn will be the lead promoter. Whether the fight ends up on HBO or Showtime is up to Hearn, as Wilder does not have enough pull to demand anything beyond a fairly decent split (unless he trades it away for something else)

No one rational is saying Joshua is ducking. That said, you can't pretend he looks as gung ho about fighting Wilder as he does Jarrell Miller, despite him being better than Wilder by a good bit.

Maybe some of you guys over in the UK can just admit that as bad as Wilder is, his 1 punch KO power has Hearn and AJ very concerned given how many shots AJ took against Wlad and Takam.

Only way AJ doesn't become the face of the sport is if Deontay lands on that chin and AJ don't get up.

[sunny31]

No one rational is saying Joshua is ducking. That said, you can't pretend he looks as gung ho about fighting Wilder as he does Jarrell Miller, despite him being better than Wilder by a good bit.

Maybe some of you guys over in the UK can just admit that as bad as Wilder is, his 1 punch KO power has Hearn and AJ very concerned given how many shots AJ took against Wlad and Takam.

Only way AJ doesn't become the face of the sport is if Deontay lands on that chin and AJ don't get up.

I think you are incorrect. The difference in negotiations between Parker and Wilder stemmed from the fact that Team Parker at least started at 40-60. That is a significant difference, considering Parker and Wilder are comparable earners.

I think Hearn was willing to negotiate the fight, but after two meetings in the US, and then for Wilder to come out and say 50-50 or no fight is not a good position to take and in fairness Hearn probably felt like they had wasted his time.

Hearn has only recently come out about Miller and that is probably because they have agreed financial terms, I'm imagining it wasn't hard, Miller is probably getting well into 7 figures and probably less than 20% of the share. Also Hearns exact words were "If we don't get Wilder" we have a green light to make Joshua-Miller at the Barclays. It could also be a message to Team Wilder that "Hey, we are willing to move on if you are going to be a penis, so get real".

I don't think Wilder is bad at all, I think he's a problem. It works in Joshua's favour to hold the fight off, who is in a much more embryonic stage of his title run compared to Wilder who is peaking. Having said that, I think Team Joshua are confident they can beat any of these guys today, but there would be less risk if Joshua gained more experience, ironed out the wrinkles over 3 or 4 more fights/training camps.

No way do I think there is extra special fear in Team Joshua for that fight over say a Fury fight, or even Parker. I think they see all of these as big fights, dangerous fights, but also opportunities to prove they are the best. I think some of you guys perceive the situation as Joshua or Hearn fear him because that is the perception Wilder has created, and Joshua is not really a talker.

I feel like Wilder is doing all the talking, he is also the one being awkward in the negotiations, and somehow some of you are trying to blame Joshua for avoiding! If you consider that Sky are buying all of Wilder's fights, and have Wilder on the broadcast team for Joshua-Parker, these are not the kind of things you do it you are protecting your cash cow from a fighter.

I think the fight happens when either Wilder gets real with his demands and/or becomes a ppv fighter in the US.

[The Big Dunn]

I think you are incorrect. The difference in negotiations between Parker and Wilder stemmed from the fact that Team Parker at least started at 40-60. That is a significant difference, considering Parker and Wilder are comparable earners.

I think Hearn was willing to negotiate the fight, but after two meetings in the US, and then for Wilder to come out and say 50-50 or no fight is not a good position to take and in fairness Hearn probably felt like they had wasted his time.

Hearn has only recently come out about Miller and that is probably because they have agreed financial terms, I'm imagining it wasn't hard, Miller is probably getting well into 7 figures and probably less than 20% of the share. Also Hearns exact words were "If we don't get Wilder" we have a green light to make Joshua-Miller at the Barclays. It could also be a message to Team Wilder that "Hey, we are willing to move on if you are going to be a penis, so get real".

I don't think Wilder is bad at all, I think he's a problem. It works in Joshua's favour to hold the fight off, who is in a much more embryonic stage of his title run compared to Wilder who is peaking. Having said that, I think Team Joshua are confident they can beat any of these guys today, but there would be less risk if Joshua gained more experience, ironed out the wrinkles over 3 or 4 more fights/training camps.

No way do I think there is extra special fear in Team Joshua for that fight over say a Fury fight, or even Parker. I think they see all of these as big fights, dangerous fights, but also opportunities to prove they are the best. I think some of you guys perceive the situation as Joshua or Hearn fear him because that is the perception Wilder has created, and Joshua is not really a talker.

I feel like Wilder is doing all the talking, he is also the one being awkward in the negotiations, and somehow some of you are trying to blame Joshua for avoiding! If you consider that Sky are buying all of Wilder's fights, and have Wilder on the broadcast team for Joshua-Parker, these are not the kind of things you do it you are protecting your cash cow from a fighter.

I think the fight happens when either Wilder gets real with his demands and/or becomes a ppv fighter in the US.

We agree Wilder doesn't deserve 50/50. Where we don't agree is whether his initial offer should in some way prevent or derail negotiations. IMO it shouldn't.

AJ wants to fight Parker because its an easier fight than Wilder. Huge payday for AJ. I get that. So he was willing to negotiate even though they felt the initial offer from Parker was ridiculous.

With Wilder, there doesn't seem to be the same desire to negotiate.

Fair points about Sky. That said, if Joshua goes to HBO you know the likely 3 fights are Miller, whyte rematch and Fury ( and who would blame him with all the cash he would get).

I don't think the talk has anything to do with it. I think Team AJ "fears" or better yet "respects" Wilder's power and the impact it could have on derailing future plans for AJ. I agree he is trying to get better.

I just think that is avoiding Wilder. Yes, there are sound financial and professional reasons for AJ to avoid WIlder and delay the fight, but its avoidance nonetheless