People who are fans if GGG but not Wilder

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Jacobs knocked out Quillin in a round. Who did Eubank knock out?Hes never beat a top ten fighter. BJS boxed Eubanks ears off despite gassing. BJS has a good win over a Golovkin leftover and that's it. Went to the wire with Andy Lee. I respect you have a different opinion but don't make yourself look silly by calling Canelo a career welterweight. That's just ridiculous. And unlike Moorer and Sanders, Ortiz had never beaten a heavyweight champion.Don't rewrite history. He was decent, but he's best win was against Jennings who had no best win, and no power. What Ortiz is is either a drug cheat or a man with health problems. I was ringside when he fought Dave Allen. He's not the greatest anything.

Quillin was a shot fighter by the time he fought Jacobs, he fought at a catch weigh of 163 vs Zerafa re-hydrating all the way to 180lbs on fight night. Vs. Lee he also missed the 160lb limit, Quillin hadn't made 160 in over 2 years and that Lee fight took all he had left. That's Jacob's signature win, a shot fighter after that you're looking at a JMW like Mora as his 2nd best win.

Eubank-BJS was a close competitive fight, he never lost in the fashion that DJ did to Pirog getting dropped then KO'd.

Eubank beat Chudinov, Akavov, outclassed Abraham (who Murray couldn't out box), Quinlan, and actual super middles.

Sanders fought in an extremely weak era, he racked up losses to Rahman, Tubbs, and others. Wlad would've been a gate keeper in this current era.

It's like I said to another poster, Jeff Wooden was a 6'3 215lb southpaw in the 90's with a 42% KO ratio. During that time he took Byrd, Grant, Tua, Rahman, Maskaev all to their limits. This is a journeyman we're talking about, probably a part time fighter, compared to Ortiz he is nothing but he was able to give some of the top dogs in that era all they could handle. Ortiz would've utterly dominated that era.

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-So slightly ahead doesn't count anymore?
-Not being ahead isn't the same as being behind.
-Your image is what the result of a poor i-frame from poor video encoding. If you go just a couple of frames from before that very frame GGG's image is not red. I understand it can be complex to understand, but essentially the data in the video gets corrupted when something in the pictures moves and the next frame of reference for data isn't there, so it has to project what it thinks will happen.
So what you are seeing is just more or less cgi. Unintentional, but CGI none-the-less.
Also did you see how Canelo looked?
Dear God.


-27 isn't peak years? When is then? 85? Name the 15 fighters that could beat Brook.

-A split decision win over Murray. In a close fight.

-Jacobs was on his way up.

You are deluding yourself.
Stop that.

-ggg was 30 years old struggling with a career JMW in Ouma, not even top 20 in the division.

-Spence was 27 struggling with a natural 147lber and top 3 in his division, Brook. See the difference?

-It ain't redness, it's bruising, Alvarez marked up his face just as did Brook in the mere 4 rounds he fought him in. How TF do you take this much facial damage in 4 rounds vs a guy moving up 2 weight classes? Spence took nowhere near this damage

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Ward is a career headbutter and cheat.
That little pússy chickened out when asked to fight not in America.
You know why?
Because then he would get suspended permanently for endangering lives with his wild headbutts. See that shít against Kessler?
He should be in jail.

Remember when he tried to sue a cancer patient, but lost? 3 times. Every time he got laughed out of court.
Every time. They rejected it immediately.

"Kendig ruled that Ward had not stated "any basis upon which to invalidate the contract" and the case was dismissed."

The only one that has ever said a no faster was when HBO asked Ward to fight GGG.
Beating the speed record in saying no the fastest is why Ward can call himself No #1

Ward jumped into the Super 6 at a mere 25 years of age, ggg was still fighting Ouma by age 30 LOL. He didn't want to fight out of America and rightfully so, they would've robbed him. His headbutts played no factor in his wins, he dismantled opponents by out boxing them.

Interviewer:
Golovkin what do you say to Andre Ward who says you're ducking him?


Golovkin: *shakes head* "Eh Andre Ward is eh too mush for me eh"





Golovkin "Everyone from 160 to 168!"
5 Years later he's fought a former cancer patient KO'd cold, a 147lber, and a career JMW.

Meanwhile Ward moved up and took on the boogeyman, Kovalev and dismantled a champion in Barrera.

Reality

[Mindgames]

Quillin was a shot fighter by the time he fought Jacobs, he fought at a catch weigh of 163 vs Zerafa re-hydrating all the way to 180lbs on fight night. Vs. Lee he also missed the 160lb limit, Quillin hadn't made 160 in over 2 years and that Lee fight took all he had left. That's Jacob's signature win, a shot fighter after that you're looking at a JMW like Mora as his 2nd best win.

Eubank-BJS was a close competitive fight, he never lost in the fashion that DJ did to Pirog getting dropped then KO'd.

Eubank beat Chudinov, Akavov, outclassed Abraham (who Murray couldn't out box), Quinlan, and actual super middles.

Sanders fought in an extremely weak era, he racked up losses to Rahman, Tubbs, and others. Wlad would've been a gate keeper in this current era.

It's like I said to another poster, Jeff Wooden was a 6'3 215lb southpaw in the 90's with a 42% KO ratio. During that time he took Byrd, Grant, Tua, Rahman, Maskaev all to their limits. This is a journeyman we're talking about, probably a part time fighter, compared to Ortiz he is nothing but he was able to give some of the top dogs in that era all they could handle. Ortiz would've utterly dominated that era.

Jacobs was the worlds number two middle, with a loss to a man who may well have been number one if injuries hadn't forced he's retirement. As for Eubank, he lost clearly to Saunders, he's late rush was largely innacurate. He never beat a top fighter. Chudinov wasn't a top ten fighter, Abraham was completely shot and Quilan a novice with a world title recognised by no one. Eubank doesn't have a win compared to Quillan, and he was just embarrassed by Groves. I asked you who Eubank had knocked out in comparison to Quillan. The answer is no one. You mentioned that you see BJS as middleweight number two. Why? As a result of a points win over a man Golovkin stopped in 5 or another man who Golovkin stopped in 9? Saunders hasn't proven a thing. He struggled with a complete unknown, looked to have lost a few fights ago. This is the same guy who beat Eubank. Eubank would've been stopped by Pirog too. Sanders fought in both the Lewis and Klitschko eras, and lost a close one to a Rahman who went on to beat Lewis. He also smashed Wlad in two. Nothing Ortiz has done compares. You sight a win over Jennings as proof of Ortiz greatness and then say Sanders fought in a weak era and Wlad would've been a gatekeeper. Ortiz the great with a win over Jennings, a guy whos claim to fame is losing against Wlad the gatekeeper. What about the drugs? What about Moorer? What about the blood pressure? What about Canelo being a career welterweight? Haha.

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Ward jumped into the Super 6 at a mere 25 years of age, ggg was still fighting Ouma by age 30 LOL. He didn't want to fight out of America and rightfully so, they would've robbed him. His headbutts played no factor in his wins, he dismantled opponents by out boxing them.

Interviewer:
Golovkin what do you say to Andre Ward who says you're ducking him?


Golovkin: *shakes head* "Eh Andre Ward is eh too mush for me eh"





Golovkin "Everyone from 160 to 168!"
5 Years later he's fought a former cancer patient KO'd cold, a 147lber, and a career JMW.

Meanwhile Ward moved up and took on the boogeyman, Kovalev and dismantled a champion in Barrera.

Reality

Yeah, because no robberies ever happen inside USA, right?
NO ROBBERIES HAS EVER HAPPENED IN USA.

No, what he means by "too much" means that Ward is too much, ie. full of it, a joker, not serious, not in the sense that Ward would destroy him. Look at the body language and how GGG responds. It is quite fúcking clear what he meant.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/a%20bit%20much

A bit much, or too much.
It means he tells CoWard that he is full of shít.

Ward lost the first fight to Kovalev.

Barrera was never a champion, lol. Do you even know boxing? So he beat a 34 year old non-champion, and I am supposed to be impressed?
A guy who's most 2nd worthwhile win was against a 38 year old, who hadn't a proper win since an MD against Otis Griffin 6 years prior.

-ggg was 30 years old struggling with a career JMW in Ouma, not even top 20 in the division.

-Spence was 27 struggling with a natural 147lber and top 3 in his division, Brook. See the difference?

-It ain't redness, it's bruising, Alvarez marked up his face just as did Brook in the mere 4 rounds he fought him in. How TF do you take this much facial damage in 4 rounds vs a guy moving up 2 weight classes? Spence took nowhere near this damage

Unlike Barrera Ouma was actually a champion.

And Ouma spent 6 months in hospital after the "CLOSE" fight:
He was severely punched that ringside physician Jeff Davidson had to critically examine the Ugandan in the seventh, eighth and 10th rounds, moments before he was knocked out.

Davidson ordered a neurological examination on Ouma after Golovkin had been declared winner of the WBA middleweight championship title and the results showed he had been injured.

“I have to follow doctors’ orders and maybe return next year,” Ouma, a former child soldier, revealed. Prior to last Friday, Ouma had never won a fight at middleweight category and his comprehensive defeat was not surprising to his former coach Musa Kent.

The same Ouma that troubled Jermain Taylor.

Yes, Spence was in his prime and struggled.

Maybe, just maybe GGG's face swells easily? There is a lot of redness in his face after the Lemieux bout.

GGG is not a spring chicken anymore.


So in summary:
Ward fought a no-champion.
GGG fought a champion.
You are full of shít.
Ward is a coward.

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Jacobs was the worlds number two middle, with a loss to a man who may well have been number one if injuries hadn't forced he's retirement. As for Eubank, he lost clearly to Saunders, he's late rush was largely innacurate. He never beat a top fighter. Chudinov wasn't a top ten fighter, Abraham was completely shot and Quilan a novice with a world title recognised by no one. Eubank doesn't have a win compared to Quillan, and he was just embarrassed by Groves. I asked you who Eubank had knocked out in comparison to Quillan. The answer is no one. You mentioned that you see BJS as middleweight number two. Why? As a result of a points win over a man Golovkin stopped in 5 or another man who Golovkin stopped in 9? Saunders hasn't proven a thing. He struggled with a complete unknown, looked to have lost a few fights ago. This is the same guy who beat Eubank. Eubank would've been stopped by Pirog too. Sanders fought in both the Lewis and Klitschko eras, and lost a close one to a Rahman who went on to beat Lewis. He also smashed Wlad in two. Nothing Ortiz has done compares. You sight a win over Jennings as proof of Ortiz greatness and then say Sanders fought in a weak era and Wlad would've been a gatekeeper. Ortiz the great with a win over Jennings, a guy whos claim to fame is losing against Wlad the gatekeeper. What about the drugs? What about Moorer? What about the blood pressure? What about Canelo being a career welterweight? Haha.

There is a clear difference in a competitive fight like Eubank-BJS and a 1 sided affair in DJ-Pirog.

Even though Abraham was shot he was still capable of beating Martin Murray easily a top 4 win on ggg's entire resume. You can't name a single fighter Jacobs has beaten better than Abraham or as impressive as Eubank performed. Jacobs looked terrible vs Arias while Eubank destroyed Abraham at 168, no contest.
BJS is actually undefeated. A masterclass vs Lemieux, a guy that got ggg ranked on the P4P list, but when BJS does it, it doesn't count, it's not as good a win over a guy like Mora.


A southpaw like Jeff Wooden, his entire pro career 5 years, was thriving in the 90s giving what Rahman called his toughest fight of his career to that point. Many felt he got robbed vs Tua of all people, he also pushed Byrd to his limit.

This is a part time boxer we're talking about, you're telling me he's anywhere near on Ortiz' level? Ortiz is actually undefeated, he's been boxing for what 20-30 years, and has dominated every single opponent in front of him.

What about James Toney, what'd the response be if Ortiz drew with James Toney or got schooled like Sam Peter did? In what reality can a modern day super heavy contender draw with an obese, brain damaged, blown up 160lber?

Moorer was a blown up LHW, he's nowhere near as powerful as Ortiz, durable, none of it. Again I ask you, what would the response be if Ortiz lost to an obese, out of retirement Foreman?

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There is a clear difference in a competitive fight like Eubank-BJS and a 1 sided affair in DJ-Pirog.

Even though Abraham was shot he was still capable of beating Martin Murray easily a top 4 win on ggg's entire resume. You can't name a single fighter Jacobs has beaten better than Abraham or as impressive as Eubank performed. Jacobs looked terrible vs Arias while Eubank destroyed Abraham at 168, no contest.
BJS is actually undefeated. A masterclass vs Lemieux, a guy that got ggg ranked on the P4P list, but when BJS does it, it doesn't count, it's not as good a win over a guy like Mora.


A southpaw like Jeff Wooden, his entire pro career 5 years, was thriving in the 90s giving what Rahman called his toughest fight of his career to that point. Many felt he got robbed vs Tua of all people, he also pushed Byrd to his limit.

This is a part time boxer we're talking about, you're telling me he's anywhere near on Ortiz' level? Ortiz is actually undefeated, he's been boxing for what 20-30 years, and has dominated every single opponent in front of him.

What about James Toney, what'd the response be if Ortiz drew with James Toney or got schooled like Sam Peter did? In what reality can a modern day super heavy contender draw with an obese, brain damaged, blown up 160lber?

Moorer was a blown up LHW, he's nowhere near as powerful as Ortiz, durable, none of it. Again I ask you, what would the response be if Ortiz lost to an obese, out of retirement Foreman?

You must be joking. I just named Quillin, who is better than any of Eubanks wins. Of course he's magically shot to suit your narrative, but Abraham, who actually was shot, and beat a Murray who destroyed years earlier, remains relevant in your mind. You should look at Abraham in the Paul Smith fight and tell me he wasnt shot by then. Saunders is undefeated, but nearly lost to an unknown before he changed trainers. He admits he was in bad shape at thaf stage of he's career, and yet he still boxed Eubanks ears off. For thr first six rounds he barely threw a punch. He just got totally outclassed by Groves. Eubank didn't destroy a shot Abraham, he out boxed him. I'm waiting to hear about that knockout. He doesn't compare to Jacobs.Your the one saying Golovkin is behind Saunders btw, but Saunders only good wins are against GGG leftovers, and it took him longer to beat older versions of the same fighters. As for keep bringing up Wooden, it's irrelevant. It's on you to show Ortiz was this great fighter, but the record isn't there. He had Jennings and no one else. Ortiz was either a drug cheat or had high blood pressure by the time he fought Deontay. Either way he was finished. Imagine Moorer, a guy who beat Holyfield struggling with Dave Allen, a guy who's beat no one. Imagine Moorer, Byrd or Sanders struggling to get to grips with Malik Scott. Ortiz had one good win, over two years ago against a weak puncher. Ortiz would have been knocked spark out by Foreman, who at 46 still had better stamina than the current Ortiz, no failed drug tests and no high blood pressure. How's the career welterweight doing today?

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Skin color fans.

[oscar9992]

Wilder & GGG don't have anything in common.

Wilder is a loud mouth who wants to be hated, while GGG is a nice & good guy.

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We have eyes and have enough sense to understand what constitutes to be good boxing. That being said, I end up rooting for Wilder in fights because he is still an underdog in big fights