If the KO Didn’t Come, the Fix Was In!

[CubanGuyNYC]

I usually don't comment much about stuff like this, but......the KO did come, so this whole thread is just pointless banter. That's boxing. Fighters can be KO'd in the first round or the last round. I'm not going to insult your intelligence, but we all know a fight is 12 rounds.

It’s ALL pointless banter, bro. Lol I understand fights have pre-determined lengths, and Wilder got the KO. Good on him. But I think it’s a pretty legit topic, as far as these things go, to point out what clearly seems pretty fishy to a lot of folks around here.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Its ridiculous and so frequent and it badly hurts the sport as a whole. This is why so many fighters duck and won't travel and what puts people off tuning in.
Why would any legitimate boxing fan want to turn a blind eye on it?

Why can they not just say like my guy won legitimately thankfully but yh I have to admit those scorecards was messed up.
It shouldn't be difficult.

Nobody is taking away from Wilder he did his part. Kudos to him.

Agree 100%.

[CubanGuyNYC]

It wasn’t a fix and you need evidence of a fix to call it a fix. You’re just crying to me now. I’m not mad at ya lol. You just need to rewatch the fight. Convo over since you believe that it was a fix and you have zero proof making this serious allegation. You can have that lol...

Evidence and proof are two different things. I already cited my evidence, and you don’t feel it’s enough. That’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion.

[daggum]

ortiz simply had no chance to win this fight as i said beforehand. he had wilder out in the 7th and the ref didn't stop it and even gave him an extra minute of recovery time for absolutely no reason. then he was clubbed behind the head over and over and its a knockdown? no time to recover? judges had wilder up just in case? thats why i said wilder would win because he was the a-side guy and he wouldnt have taken this fight unless he was assured victory. boxing is so easy to predict.

[Raggamuffin]

Evidence and proof are two different things. I already cited my evidence, and you don’t feel it’s enough. That’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion.

You have neither. And you’re making a serious accusation. A serious one where they can’t question you here on this forum lol. Easily said though.
It’s a fact that you have zero evidence. I’ll be the bigger man and end the convo like I said Inwould. Call it bad scoring, terrible judges but a fix is a fix. And I don’t jive around when it comes to boxers and their health by calling fights fixed. Good night Mr Fix lol.

[deanrw]

My thoughts exactly.

Maybe one 10-10 is scored (rarely) in a fight but four in a row?

Anyways, we got a definitive outcome so it's all irrelevant, but the fix was definitely coming.

Oh sh|t, so that is why I scored Golovkin vs Canelo and countless other fights a draw at 120-120. I took the 10 point must system way too literally.

On a serious note, any round where neither fighter is doing anything of note, could be scored 10-10. Most just don't choose to, but it is also why many cards get disputed and wide ranging. Those so called swing rounds can screw over a fighter who fought just as well as the other guy in any given round.

[sotgoda]

We also know that a short left hook dropped Ortiz in round 2 I believe. Flash knockdown but a knockdown.

Yes, the referee did not see that but a replay showed it was a left hand that dropped Ortiz. However, the 1st 4 round were even. At most Ortiz was up 3 rounds to 1. Both of them did not do anything special.

[sotgoda]

That extra 30 seconds or so at the start of round 8 was highly su****ious and detracts from a great fight IMO. Ortiz was up but I never felt he'd win. He proved me wrong though I predicted 12-0 or KO within 4 but he was fairly dominant.

Stop the excuses. the doctor wanted to check Wilder's eyes to see if he should continue the fight or not. That's what happened. Wilder seemed shocked as well that they stopped it to check him out since he did not go down.

[Raggamuffin]

Yes, the referee did not see that but a replay showed it was a left hand that dropped Ortiz. However, the 1st 4 round were even. At most Ortiz was up 3 rounds to 1. Both of them did not do anything special.

I can agree with that. Round 4 was close.

[jaded]

It was an incredibly exciting fight. Wilder's size advantage seemed more apparent than I thought it was and the youth advantage was the the bigger difference. Ortiz was just a tiny bit awkward at times with the early slip and first knockdown down. Wilder was definitely out on his feet at the end of the 7th and I give him credit for surviving the onslaught somehow with his feet under him. I think a younger Ortiz would have ended it but I'm not going to make any excuses.

I had Ortiz ahead at the start of the last round but I knew if it came down to a decision he had no chance from the start. Wilder is tough and has heart...showed that for sure. He has an ugly style/no style but it perseveres...at least so far. Ortiz was just too old and tired at the end. Everybody waited for him to get old and he did...but nobody can take anything away from him because he was an inch shy from ending it in grand style in the 7th.

It was a great fight...i loved it. I think AJ wins against Wilder...I think he hurts him like Ortiz did but will finish him after he does. He's much bigger and younger. I think a young Ortiz would have beaten both AJ and Wilder...maybe even only two years ago.