Serious question about Luis Ortiz.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ortiz is probably the most skilled HW with great amateur background and a high KO %

He doesn’t really have the names but because he’s a skilled Cuban with no fan base it’s easy for guys with a name to skip over him

I think the fact that none of the top names wanted to fight him for years shows that he was a high risk top end talent in the HW division

It seems in boxing If the guys being avoided then he’s usually deserving of the hype even if he doesn’t have the scalps on the resume

He’s not a name and brings no $ to the table don’t know why the TS would think he is

Luis Ortiz IS a name and he DOES draw money, clearly.

A money draw is a guy who is selling the tickets. In this fight, that wasn't Wilder and it wasn't the ref.

Now, the fact that Ortiz is an international fighter might have something to do with that drawing power vs. Wilder. I grant that.

Let's talk about the whole "high risk" deal, because that's fair. If we're saying the appeal of the fight was the risk, I agree. But that's not the cadence on this board. All I saw was a bunch of people claiming that Ortiz was some high level fighter - and thus my question here, because I didn't see it.

Certainly a challenge for Wilder, certainly a different style that would test Wilder, but I never saw what others saw: Wilder clearly exposed by this guy. If anything, either it would go the distance ala Stiverne 1 or a late KO for one of them.

[Sheldon312]

I think there is a tendency in the boxing community to overrate fighters when they are about to fight a fighter who is very unliked by the public. Like others have said, Ortiz is not "elite" Hell, one could argue that really none of the current top Heavyweights are "elite" But, if anything this showed some good and some bad when it pertains to Wilder. Yes, Wilder showed grit and heart but he did get outboxed basically the entire match. Does this fight prove that he beats Joshua? No. Joshua is bigger, younger, and stronger than Ortiz. He also matches Wilder pretty well when it comes to height and reach and he has the instinct to get you out of there when you are hurt. Overall, Joshua has the better resume and yes I consider the Vlad win to be better than this Ortiz win. Ortiz is a really good fighter but he is not cut from the cloth of a Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, Mercer, Lewis, or Holyfield.

[Sheldon312]

But so was Wilder. Mike Tyson just recently called him the weakest of the heavyweight title holders. However, he proved Mike wrong tonight. He displayed not only power but heart and a chin. Stiverne was the only notable opponent on Wilder's resume as well.

Well, I don't think its a foregone conclusion that Wilder beats Joshua, Parker, or Fury_ex-champ) Those guys are much younger and guys like Joshua and Fury know how to push the pace and they match Wilder with size and both are overall better boxers.

[R_Walken]

Luis Ortiz IS a name and he DOES draw money, clearly.

A money draw is a guy who is selling the tickets. In this fight, that wasn't Wilder and it wasn't the ref.

Now, the fact that Ortiz is an international fighter might have something to do with that drawing power vs. Wilder. I grant that.

Let's talk about the whole "high risk" deal, because that's fair. If we're saying the appeal of the fight was the risk, I agree. But that's not the cadence on this board. All I saw was a bunch of people claiming that Ortiz was some high level fighter - and thus my question here, because I didn't see it.

Certainly a challenge for Wilder, certainly a different style that would test Wilder, but I never saw what others saw: Wilder clearly exposed by this guy. If anything, either it would go the distance ala Stiverne 1 or a late KO for one of them.

Ortiz isn’t a name

He’s a threat

He doesn’t sell tickets and doesn’t bring $

What was the difference in attendance between Ortiz and Bermane or Spzillka when Wilder fought them a couple thousand at Most yet it was Ortiz who put butts in the seat

How many people showed up to Ortiz last fight in his adopted hometown of Miami (under a 1000) maybe

How many people watched Ortiz fight Malik Scott or Jennings. What’s his history of generating big ratings

He has under 90k Instagram followers he not a name just a threat that until Deontay faced him any fighter with a name wouldn’t do

Sh.it I remember a couple years ago a Tyson Fury interview when they asked him about Ortiz he was like great fighter brings no $ to the table not worth the risk

But now all of a sudden he’s a draw

Your delusional

[Combat Talk Radio]

And Ortiz did stagger Wilder more than he's been in the past in pro fights but as far as looking like a rookie, it's like that's his style now. He fought the same way against Szpilka and we saw a similar outboxing there too, just with less connects. If Szpilka could do that, it was almost ludicrous to expect Ortiz to do less, going simply by fight styles.

[champion4ever]

Well, I don't think its a foregone conclusion that Wilder beats Joshua, Parker, or Fury_ex-champ) Those guys are much younger and guys like Joshua and Fury know how to push the pace and they match Wilder with size and both are overall better boxers.

Yeah, but those guys don't have the punching power of Deontay Wilder though.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ortiz isn’t a name

He’s a threat

He doesn’t sell tickets and doesn’t bring $

Luis Ortiz has two countries behind him. Deontay Wilder has one state, maybe two, in the US. The only reason Wilder got a bigger payday is because of Haymon. Let's not fool yourself here.

When Hamed had his first fight in the US against Kelley, he was internationally known but hyped the high hell. He was the draw because of the promoters.

Don't bring up Stiverne in your rebuttal; you know Don King is even now one of the best promoters in the game. He knows how to promote fights, so even bum opposition like Stiverne is made to look like a beast. That's his job.

He has under 90k Instagram followers he not a name just a threat that until Deontay faced him any fighter with a name wouldn’t do

Social media is not a good barometer of anything. Remember, Kylie Kardashian/Jenner has 100 million followers for not doing a damn thing in life but having underaged sex with some rapper and having a kid by a different rapper.


"At the end of the day", Deontay Wilder doesn't move a needle outside of the US.

[Sheldon312]

Yeah, but those guys don't have the punching power of Deontay Wilder though.

Joshua still has incredible power. On a scale from 1 to 10, i'll give Wilder a 9.5 and Joshua a solid 9 when it pertains to raw power. Tyson is more skilled than Wilder and you can't just depend on power when you are fighting prime fighters. Think Ali vs Foreman. Foreman had more power but Ali clearly outboxed him.

[BoxingFan85]

I had told this a year or so ago.. Ortiz is good but not a boogeyman or anything..
I had picked Wlad, Aj, Wilder and Fury over him last year and nothing has changed since.. He is slow, and can't cut the ring off, we saw yesterday he showed his age too and didn't get his second wind back..
A good win for Wilder and the best of his career..

[JakeTheBoxer]

Strong, hits hard, he was undefeated, he stopped jennings and that is his best win.