Is Mikey Garcia signing with Dana White?

[bigdunny1]

If UFC offers enough money, anything is possible. Haymon spent to gain control. Not control for control's sake, but because that control would be very valuable in the future. Haymon is positioned to sell or rent his stable to anyone who comes along in the future with the right amount of money.




To make money.




If he cashes out at a profit, how did he fail?

He was given vastly more money to start PBC then the peanuts he would get now selling off what's left of his roster to the UFC. So again either you admit PBC failed and he's trying to get out or it complete ruins the foolish arguement you have had over the last year that losing hundreds of millions fishing for a TV contract that never came and then pivoting to we'll he just wanted more control in the sport and access to showtime's budget. Now he didn't want either he just spent and lost 500 million to create the PBC brand and now could care less about that brand or control and is selling his fighters to the UFC brand for pennies on the dollar? Dude you flip flop with the best of them.

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I speak to the WBC president several times per week and have done so for years. Is it possible I have a little more understanding of the situation than you do?

LMAO So again no link? OK then shut up. Nobody has reported that linares has told them not to order a purse bid or that he could enforce one at any time. You made that up. WBC decides when they want to order and enforce a fight. But you know more then folks who are paid to cover the sport? No you dont. And the wbc has been asked and has released statement for why they have delayed enforcing this fight but according to you they are lying? You ain't a insider you been exposed lying up in here too many times for anyone to take you serious. I posted links direct for for the entire timeline event from boxingscene and wbc in the last thread that directly contradict everything you said. Rather then hijack this thread to restart the same tired debate just go respond to that one bytch and we can keep going back and forth. Now sit down and let the adults talk

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He was given vastly more money to start PBC then the peanuts he would get now selling off what's left of his roster to the UFC.

#1 - You have no idea how much he spent or how much is left of what he was given.

#2 - You have no idea what the UFC would pay for his roster.

So for you to make the judgement that he's spent more than he'd receive, when you don't know what he spent, and you don't know what he'd receive, is quite silly. You have no insight, knowledge, experience or expertise that would allow you to intelligently make these judgments.

SHO continues to pay more for Haymon's stable than any US network pays anybody for their stable and more than HBO pays everybody collectively for their stables. So clearly Haymon has the most valuable stable. We don't know yet if UFC will ultimately decide to dip their toe in the water or make a big splash. If they want to make a big splash, Haymon is their only option.

So again either you admit PBC failed and he's trying to get out or it complete ruins the foolish arguement you have had over the last year that losing hundreds of millions fishing for a TV contract that never came and then pivoting to we'll he just wanted more control in the sport and access to showtime's budget.

PBC has failed, thus far, to secure a major deal from an OTA network. That doesn't mean they won't secure one in the future, or, could secure one through a partnership with UFC.

You have no idea if they've lost hundreds of millions of dollars. They had approximately 1 billion to start with. None of us know how much they have left.

We do know SHO has substantially increased their budget and substantially increased their allegiance to Haymon. So we can't say PBC hasn't accomplished anything. Wilder, the Charlos, Thurman, Spence, etc are all much bigger stars now than they were three years ago and SHO is spending much more than three years ago. HBO is much much weaker than it was three years ago. So progress has been made by Haymon. Maybe not as quickly as he hoped, but he still has way more control of US boxing now than he did pre-PBC.

Now he didn't want either he just spent and lost 500 million to create the PBC brand and now could care less about that brand or control and is selling his fighters to the UFC brand for pennies on the dollar? Dude you flip flop with the best of them.

You have no idea how much has been lost. So much of this discussion takes place in an alternate reality in your head, so it's really difficult to have a productive discussion.

You were the one that said Haymon's fighters are off the table because Dana doesn't want to work with Showtime. I merely pointed out that nothing bounds Haymon to Showtime and if Dana found a bigger budget for Haymon, he could take his stable elsewhere. So your initial proclamation was false.

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So again no link? OK then shut up.

Why not tell me what you want a link to instead of having a childish outburst like telling me to shut up? Are you a reasonable adult? Are you capable of productive discussion? If the answer is no, just tell me so I can stop wasting my time trying to have a civil conversation. If you want to talk boxing with respect, I'm all for it. If you just want to troll and name call, there are other people more worthy of my time.

I shouldn't have to link to comments YOU posted that clearly did not say what you thought they said.

Nobody has reported that linares has told them not to order a purse bid. But you know more then folks who are paid to cover the sport? No you dont.

I never said Linares told them not to order a purse bid. I said Linares never told them to order a purse bid. Those are two very different things.

It's actually you claiming to know more than folks who are paid to cover the sport because I've been paid to cover the sport for decades and you repeatedly claim to know more, even when the facts directly contradict your positions.

And the wbc has been asked and has released statement for why they have delayed enforcing this fight but according to you they are lying?

Never said they were lying. You are lying about what they said. Very different.

You ain't a insider you been exposed lying up in here too many times for anyone to take you serious.

I couldn't care less whether you consider me an insider or an outsider. Either my information checks out or it doesn't. You don't sign my paycheck. Every time you label me a liar, you're proven wrong. You say nobody takes me seriously, but many on this site know exactly who I am, which is why they frequently praise my posts. Maybe if you were an "insider" you would know who is who?

I posted links direct for for the entire timeline event from boxingscene and wbc in the last thread that directly contradict everything you said. Rather then hijack this thread to restart the same tired debate just go respond to that one bytch and we can keep going back and forth. Now sit down and let the adults talk

You're talking tough, but the facts never support your position. I've addressed your links and explained why they don't say what you believe they say. That's the biggest problem here. You're so emotional that you're unable to process what words actually mean. You jump to conclusions before you can even finish a sentence. Over and over you think I said something I didn't say, you think the WBC said things they didn't say.

You don't even know what you're dis*****g anymore. You just know you don't like me and you want to disagree with me. And the only way you can figure out how to do that is to argue against things I never said.

[bigdunny1]

#1 - You have no idea how much he spent or how much is left of what he was given.

#2 - You have no idea what the UFC would pay for his roster.

So for you to make the judgement that he's spent more than he'd receive, when you don't know what he spent, and you don't know what he'd receive, is quite silly. You have no insight, knowledge, experience or expertise that would allow you to intelligently make these judgments.

SHO continues to pay more for Haymon's stable than any US network pays anybody for their stable and more than HBO pays everybody collectively for their stables. So clearly Haymon has the most valuable stable. We don't know yet if UFC will ultimately decide to dip their toe in the water or make a big splash. If they want to make a big splash, Haymon is their only option.





PBC has failed, thus far, to secure a major deal from an OTA network. That doesn't mean they won't secure one in the future, or, could secure one through a partnership with UFC.

You have no idea if they've lost hundreds of millions of dollars. They had approximately 1 billion to start with. None of us know how much they have left.

We do know SHO has substantially increased their budget and substantially increased their allegiance to Haymon. So we can't say PBC hasn't accomplished anything. Wilder, the Charlos, Thurman, Spence, etc are all much bigger stars now than they were three years ago and SHO is spending much more than three years ago. HBO is much much weaker than it was three years ago. So progress has been made by Haymon. Maybe not as quickly as he hoped, but he still has way more control of US boxing now than he did pre-PBC.




You have no idea how much has been lost. So much of this discussion takes place in an alternate reality in your head, so it's really difficult to have a productive discussion.

You were the one that said Haymon's fighters are off the table because Dana doesn't want to work with Showtime. I merely pointed out that nothing bounds Haymon to Showtime and if Dana found a bigger budget for Haymon, he could take his stable elsewhere. So your initial proclamation was false.

The investors have already sued stating hundreds of millions were lost from PBC. You think haymon is getting more money then what he already lost when no network is willing to spend a dime on PBC? yet you think if haymon sells off the remaining fighters the ones who haven't already bolted in the last 6 months like jacobs, ect he's getting hundreds of millions? Stop it. You already made a fool out yourself for the past 2 years claiming PBC a success and that a TV deal worth hundreds of millions was imminent as 1 by 1 every network was unsatisfied with the ratings and closed their doors once the time buy ended. That's why haymon is taking all his guys back to showtime because NOBODY else will pay for it. Then you changed the goal post to act like this was all part of the plan. Lose hundreds of millions to air fights only on showtime where he was already at. But hey he had full control that was your ****** argument. Now he would be giving up that control and selling the remaining fighters for peanuts. Yes I'm sure UFC is not paying a kings ransom for fighters from a brand nobody cares about who's best fighters draw 500K viewers like Danny Garcia just did coming back to showtime.

You live in your own delusional world where regardless what you predicted would happened 6-18 months ago if the opposite happens you come here in full spin control mode claim that a success. Selling off his fighters would be haymon waving the white flag admitting PBC was a colossal failure.

[bigdunny1]

Why not tell me what you want a link to instead of having a childish outburst like telling me to shut up? Are you a reasonable adult? Are you capable of productive discussion? If the answer is no, just tell me so I can stop wasting my time trying to have a civil conversation. If you want to talk boxing with respect, I'm all for it. If you just want to troll and name call, there are other people more worthy of my time.

I shouldn't have to link to comments YOU posted that clearly did not say what you thought they said.

You are the one who said Linares is the reason a purse bid has not been ordered by the wbc. That's a lie. Nobody has reported that if they did you would be able to produce a link with someone who did. And the wbc has been asked all last year why they haven't either stripped Mikey or enforced the fight(ie purse bid). And they are on record saying they have delayed enforcing the fight because Mikey requested permission to fight someone else not once but twice at 140 no less. He delayed the mandatory being enforced thats out the WBC own mouth. So post a link with wbc saying Linares told them not to order a purse bid. I'll wait but we went through this song and dance already and you won't produce it because it don't exist. You made that shyt up. I posted direct links of the time line that contradict your dumb azzz lies So stop hi******* this thread with that non sense go bump the old thread and we can keep going round a day round there.

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The investors have already sued stating hundreds of millions were lost from PBC.

The investors have no idea how much was spent either. They only know what PBC is valued at as a property, which may or may not correspond with cash on hand. The investors are not suing PBC. PBC has the money. They can do as they wish. We don't know how much is left or how much was spent. You're misunderstanding the lawsuit, what's alleged, and more importantly, what's been proven.

You think haymon is getting more money then what he already lost when no network is will to spend a dime on PBC?

I don't know what he lost. I don't know what he'd get. There are plenty of networks willing to spend on PBC, but are they willing to spend more than Showtime? So far, no. Could that change in the future? Sure.

yet you think if haymon sells off the remaining fighters the ones who haven't already bolted in the last 6 months like jacobs, ect he's getting hundreds of millions? Stop it. You already made a fool out yourself for the past 2 years claiming PBC a success and that a TV deal worth hundreds of millions was imminent as 1 by 1 every network was unsatisfied with the ratings and closed their doors once the time buy ended.

I claimed that it was reasonable to expect PBC to be able to secure 35-50 million a year. That they'd probably shoot for 100 million, but you rarely get what you ask for. I never said they'd get hundreds of millions. As always, you argue against things nobody said. It's tiresome. I wish you the best of luck, but there's only so many lies I can wade through. If you're going to have an imaginary argument with yourself while repeatedly attributing things to me that I only said in your fantasy version of our conversation, there's really no purpose to this.

You rant and rant and rant about the failures of PBC, while PBC continues to gain more and more power. More and more world champions. More and more Showtime and FOX dates for more and more money.

We're three years in. Haymon is stronger than ever. HBO is weaker than ever. So who is really failing here? Use some common sense.

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You are the one who said Linares is the reason a purse bid has not been ordered by the wbc.

That is not the same thing as saying that he told the WBC to not order a purse bid.

We can't have a discussion if you don't know what words mean. I'm sorry.

[bigdunny1]

The investors have no idea how much was spent either. They only know what PBC is valued at as a property, which may or may not correspond with cash on hand. The investors are not suing PBC. PBC has the money. They can do as they wish. We don't know how much is left or how much was spent. You're misunderstanding the lawsuit, what's alleged, and more importantly, what's been proven.




I don't know what he lost. I don't know what he'd get. There are plenty of networks willing to spend on PBC, but are they willing to spend more than Showtime? So far, no. Could that change in the future? Sure.




I claimed that it was reasonable to expect PBC to be able to secure 35-50 million a year. That they'd probably shoot for 100 million, but you rarely get what you ask for. I never said they'd get hundreds of millions. As always, you argue against things nobody said. It's tiresome. I wish you the best of luck, but there's only so many lies I can wade through. If you're going to have an imaginary argument with yourself while repeatedly attributing things to me that I only said in your fantasy version of our conversation, there's really no purpose to this.

You rant and rant and rant about the failures of PBC, while PBC continues to gain more and more power. More and more world champions. More and more Showtime and FOX dates for more and more money.

We're three years in. Haymon is stronger than ever. HBO is weaker than ever. So who is really failing here? Use some common sense.

If he's stronger then ever you wouldn't claim him selling off the remaining fighters and giving up his strength a success. Dumb azz before he robbed investors and lost hundreds of millions he was already the sole boxing provider for showtime. So he lost millions to build a brand nobody cares about to continue selling fights one by one on showtime? Even the most hard core defenders of haymon have jumped off and admitted PBC is a sinking ship. They have no more tv deals. But go ahead change the goal post. Months ago success was if haymon got a huge hundred million tv deal to show for all those time buys and millions lost to create PBC. Now no tv deal is needed going back to showtime with your tail between your legs means victory. Top Rank just scooped in and got a tv deal on ESPN. Why didnt espn give that money to PBC? lol And this great long lasting brand he was creating... If he gives up on it and sells his fighters to UFC that's a victory too. Keep spinning boy keep moving the goal post but nobody is buying it. lol

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If he's stronger then ever you wouldn't claim him selling off the remaining fighters and giving up his strength a success

All I said is that he has the flexibility to sell or rent to whoever he wants. He's bound to nobody. So when you claimed Haymon fighters are off limits to UFC because of Showtime, you were wrong. Now you're throwing a temper tantrum. Best of luck. Your volume of lies has become overwhelming.