Could a prime Povetkin go 12 rounds with Lennox Lewis?

[Navalny20!8]

Wladimir Klitschko is as much a 'part time' boxer as Corrie Sanders is.

One of those two men was a consummate professional who was always in shape while the other did not take boxing nearly as seriously. I will let you decide which is which.

The real question is: how can a boxer with over 40 professional boxing bouts (the number of bouts both Wladimir Klitschko and Corrie Sanders have) at world level be considered a 'part time boxer'? Answer that one for me please!

The number of fights is irrelevant. Look at Butterbean and his 91 boxing bouts.

Furthermore, if a boxer shows a very high level of skill, success and / or accomplishments in the sport of boxing. Why does it matter what that boxer does outside the ring when judging / evaluating him as a boxer?

So you are saying that Sanders had a very high level of skill, success and/or accomplishments in the sport of boxing? Please list his top 5 wins.

What exactly is a 'part time boxer'? What exactly is a 'part time' anything? How do you even define that term?

English is not my first language. Or a second. Or a third. Yet, I knew exactly what 'part-time' meant in English when I was still a teenager. Grow up.

Mormeck was merely a stay busy fight for Wladimir Klitschko. Who was no smaller in size than someone like Zeljko Mavrovic was when he fought Lennox Lewis.

I could list many past heavyweight boxing champions who faced opponents that actually weighed far less than Mormeck or Haye, and even ones who weighed less than 200 pounds (not even a heavyweight by modern standard).

That is a faulty argument for a number of reasons. First, most past heavyweight boxing champions were not as tall as Wlad. Second, they were not as heavy as Wlad. They also fought against boxers who were taller and heavier than them. Please remind us what happened the last time Wlad fought someone who was taller and heavier than him?

And David Haye absolutely belonged in the heavyweight division. There is a reason why he moved up in the first place. Which was because he was unable to make the cruiser weight division any longer. Since he was draining his body to make the cruiser weight limit. David Haye is as much of a heavyweight as anybody else is / has been.

So please explain why David Haye didn't belong in the heavyweight division?

Despite what your imaginary girlfriend tells you, size does matter. Look at David Haye's fights at cruiserweight and compare them to his bouts with Valuev and Wlad.

Also, when did I claim Lennox Lewis facing some cruiser weights in his career makes Wlad's resume better?

You tried to defend Wlad's resume by claiming that past heavyweight champions faced cruiserweights throughout their careers as if it somehow makes up for the fact that Wlad's resume is filled with undersized boxers, no-hopers, and maintenance men.

Also, Wladimir Klitschko has had 69 bouts. Lennox Lewis only had 44 bouts. No other boxer has had as many bouts as Wladimir Klitschko at heavyweight boxing (over 60 bouts) with as many avenged losses as Wlad.

Indeed, Wlad has avenged an extraordinary number of losses throughout his career - 1 out of 5. Amazing.

It doesn't! It instead responds to the actual topic of this thread that you created. Which is a comparison between Alexander Povetkin and Lennox Lewis. Perhaps learn not to get sidetracked too much from your own thread that you yourself created?

Nowhere in this thread have I said anything negative about Povetkin's resume or accomplishments, which is precisely why I called you out on listing Povetkin's accomplishments in your reply to my previous post.

The way you've set up this poll and thread gives the indication that you're implying Povetkin is more likely to get KO'ed than not by a declining Lennox Lewis.

How so? Are the poll choices not fair? Please explain yourself.

Why would you even ask the question: Could a prime Povetkin go 12 rounds with Lennox Lewis?

Because we are on a boxing forum? Because I wanted to know what people thought about this particular matchup?

Who are Lewis's best opponents?

Evander Holyfield? The guy who was beaten more comprehensively by Sultan Ibragimov, Chris Byrd and James Toney?

Mike Tyson? The guy who was beaten more comprehensively by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride?

This is where I stopped taking you seriously. I know, I know.
Shame on me for tolerating you for so long.

[4truth]

How do you think he would win - UD or KO? I am not disagreeing with you, just curious.

IF he won it would probably have to be by KO. I think for the most part Lewis would outscore Povetkin keeping him at the end of his jab but it isn't hard to imagine that Povetkin would be able to eventually get through and find Lennox's chin with a quick combo.

[KingHippo]

Maybe with roids, HGH and doniumz he'd stand a chance.

[Mr Objecitivity]

One of those two men was a consummate professional who was always in shape while the other did not take boxing nearly as seriously. I will let you decide which is which.







The number of fights is irrelevant. Look at Butterbean and his 91 boxing bouts.



So you are saying that Sanders had a very high level of skill, success and/or accomplishments in the sport of boxing? Please list his top 5 wins.



English is not my first language. Or a second. Or a third. Yet, I knew exactly what 'part-time' meant in English when I was still a teenager. Grow up.



That is a faulty argument for a number of reasons. First, most past heavyweight boxing champions were not as tall as Wlad. Second, they were not as heavy as Wlad. They also fought against boxers who were taller and heavier than them. Please remind us what happened the last time Wlad fought someone who was taller and heavier than him?



Despite what your imaginary girlfriend tells you, size does matter. Look at David Haye's fights at cruiserweight and compare them to his bouts with Valuev and Wlad.



You tried to defend Wlad's resume by claiming that past heavyweight champions faced cruiserweights throughout their careers as if it somehow makes up for the fact that Wlad's resume is filled with undersized boxers, no-hopers, and maintenance men.



Indeed, Wlad has avenged an extraordinary number of losses throughout his career - 1 out of 5. Amazing.



Nowhere in this thread have I said anything negative about Povetkin's resume or accomplishments, which is precisely why I called you out on listing Povetkin's accomplishments in your reply to my previous post.



How so? Are the poll choices not fair? Please explain yourself.



Because we are on a boxing forum? Because I wanted to know what people thought about this particular matchup?



This is where I stopped taking you seriously. I know, I know.
Shame on me for tolerating you for so long.

Claiming 'not taking boxing seriously' is your subjective opinion that has no specific meaning. Ergo, that statement is going to be dismissed.

And Corrie Sander's 'shape' generally speaking, and even against Wladimir Klitschko, was not much different, if at all compared to the 'shapes' of other past heavyweight champions like Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali.

This is Joe Frazier's physique in the 1970's:



And this is Muhammad Ali's:

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So does that mean Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier were also 'part time' boxers like Corrie Sanders?

Wladimir Klitschko has far more credentials than Corrie Sanders, even outside of boxing. Thus, if any body is more of a 'part time' boxer, then it's Wladimir Klitschko.

Or, you have to admit that Wladimir Klitschko is such a GREAT polymath that he could do so many things almost equally well. To the point where he is a 'full timer' in multiple different fields AT THE SAME FKIN TIME.

If number of fights is irrelevant to determining how much of a 'part timer' a boxer is in boxing. Then what exactly is relevant? You still haven't clearly explained that part yet, despite constantly spouting PART TIME DOE PART TIME DOE again and again.

Let me provide my definition of what a FULL TIME boxer is: If any person is MOSTLY known and popular due to their boxing career, and has spent more of their time in boxing than with anything else. Then that person is a FULL TIME boxer, PERIOD!

That doesn't mean that person couldn't have other priorities outside of boxing. Nor does it mean if they are involved in other activities outside of boxing, that they become a 'part time' boxer as a result

What I am claiming is that Corrie Sanders is an extremely fast and a powerful southpaw, with a near 70% KO record, capable of knocking out nearly any heavyweight in the world and scoring an upset.

That's my point!

What Corrie Sanders does outside the ring, DOES NOT change the fact that inside the ring, he is an EXTREMELY awkward southpaw, capable of punching from EXTREMELY awkward angles with EXTREME speed and power and therefore capable of pulling off RARE upsets when least expected.

The word 'part time' has no more meaning than the word 'big'. I.E. Both those words are vague, relative and are meaningless in and of themselves.

240 pounds or 6 foot 3 is a SPECIFIC definition for the word 'BIG'.

Likewise, being involved for 19 years in boxing is a SPECIFIC definition of how much commitment that boxer has made to the sport of boxing.

Merely claiming 'PART TIME DOE' like an idiot is stating a meaningless word.

You're the one that needs to grow up! You don't need to learn any new languages. Rather, you meed to take some logic courses as you're void of sufficient logic.

Nearly every past heavyweight champion (excluding Mike Tyson) almost ALWAYS outweighed and out-sized their opponents. ESPECIALLY Muhammad Ali, who outweighed his opponents even more frequently than Wladimir Klitschko did.

Here are some STATS / FACTS:

- Wladimir Klitschko has beaten 24+ opponents who OUTWEIGHED him.

- Lennox Lewis only beat 10 opponents who OUTWEIGHED him.

- Muhammad Ali beat 17 opponents who OUTWEIGHED him.

- George Foreman only beat 8 opponents who OUTWEIGHED him.


THESE ARE FACTS and facts contradicts your lie / myth / erroneous statements and actually supports mine.

Furthermore, the heavyweight division is unlimited after 200 pounds. Thus, if a boxer weighs more than 200 pounds, then they are a heavyweight, period. Irrespective of how much more than 200 pounds they weigh.

Thus, David Haye and Jean Marc Mormeck are more credible opponents for Wladimir Klitschko than Henry Cooper was for Muhammad Ali (Cooper weighed 180 - 190 pounds, which isn't even a heavyweight but cruiser / light heavyweight by modern standard).

So because David Haye had a stylistic problem against Nikolai Valuev (who he still managed to beat). Are you therefore claiming he doesn't belong in the heavyweight division? If you are, that's an utterly ridiculous statement.

That's a bit like me saying Lennox Lewis doesn't belong in the heavyweight division because he struggled against Ray Mercer (another stylistic problem).

David Haye moved up to heavyweight, partly because he couldn't any longer make the cruiser weight limit any more. David Haye was draining himself for a long time artificially to make the cruiser weight limit, even though he could naturally make the heavyweight division relatively easily.

And David Haye at the time was nearly as successful at heavyweight as he was at cruiser weight. His only problem (along with the problem of others) was that the Klitschkos were too good. Remove the Klitschkos, and David Haye would've probably been as successful at heavyweight as he was at cruiser weight.

Outside the Klitschkos, David Haye at the time in his prime would've been favored to beat any other heavyweight in the world.

So it's totally ridiculous to claim David Haye didn't belong in the heavyweight division, only because he was 2nd best to the Klitschkos.

Yes, it is 'AMAZING' because no other heavyweight had more than 60 bouts and avenged as many losses as Wladimir Klitschko at REAL heavyweight. That alone is a better 'avenging' feat than any other heavyweight who had more than 60 bouts.

You simply can't even compare him to a guy who only had 40 or so bouts. It's a false equivalence logical fallacy!

There are many other ways you could've posted this thread / poll that would've been fairer.

Perhaps in the following ways:

1) Could Lennox Lewis survive 12 rounds against prime Alexander Povetkin (considering it's Lennox Lewis that has been knocked out brutally and it's his chin that has been cracked and not Alexander Povetkin's)?

Or

2) Prime Alexander Povetkin vs Lennox Lewis - who would win?


The second option is the fairest option to choose for creating this thread / poll. Don't you think?

[Vinnykin]

Povetkin is tough with a good chin, I think he could go 12 but he'd likely take a lot of punishment, mostly from the jab.