Could a prime Povetkin go 12 rounds with Lennox Lewis?

[DreamFighter]

So I am reading the responses in this thread so far and, for the most part, finding them reasonable. That is until I stumble upon this:



Wlad Klitschko is arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time? The man whose resume consists of part-time golfers, maintenance men, and undersized cruiserweights??



This guy???

mm arguably the weakest h2h long term titlist.

[Navalny20!8]

mm arguably the weakest h2h long term titlist.

Yes. It is mind-bottling (c) how overrated Wlad has become once he retired.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Really? It is very simple: if one is spending most of his time improving his golf skills, then he is not spending that time improving his boxing skills. Also, if you insist on calling Wlad a "part time golfer", then it is only fair to call Corrie Sanders a "part time boxer". A part time boxer that demolished Wlad.



Mormeck and Haye are both former cruiserweights and neither of them belonged in the heavyweight division. What is worse is that Haye is/was considered to be one of Wlad's best wins. Furthermore, the fact that Lennox Lewis faced some cruiserweights in his career does not magically make Wlad's resume better.



Why do you keep bringing up Lennox Lewis in defending Wlad's resume? Lewis avenged all his loses. Wlad did not. Lewis also faced better opposition than Wlad. Those are irrefutable facts.



How does that refute anything that I said about Wlad's resume?



Provide a link to where I said this.



First, that is your opinion and not a fact. Second, I do not see how it refutes anything that I have written.

Wladimir Klitschko is as much a 'part time' boxer as Corrie Sanders is.

The real question is: how can a boxer with over 40 professional boxing bouts (the number of bouts both Wladimir Klitschko and Corrie Sanders have) at world level be considered a 'part time boxer'? Answer that one for me please!

Furthermore, if a boxer shows a very high level of skill, success and / or accomplishments in the sport of boxing. Why does it matter what that boxer does outside the ring when judging / evaluating him as a boxer?

What exactly is a 'part time boxer'? What exactly is a 'part time' anything? How do you even define that term?

Mormeck was merely a stay busy fight for Wladimir Klitschko. Who was no smaller in size than someone like Zeljko Mavrovic was when he fought Lennox Lewis.

I could list many past heavyweight boxing champions who faced opponents that actually weighed far less than Mormeck or Haye, and even ones who weighed less than 200 pounds (not even a heavyweight by modern standard).

And David Haye absolutely belonged in the heavyweight division. There is a reason why he moved up in the first place. Which was because he was unable to make the cruiser weight division any longer. Since he was draining his body to make the cruiser weight limit. David Haye is as much of a heavyweight as anybody else is / has been.

So please explain why David Haye didn't belong in the heavyweight division?

Also, when did I claim Lennox Lewis facing some cruiser weights in his career makes Wlad's resume better?

Why am I bringing up Lennox Lewis? Because that's what this thread is about? You created this thread about Lennox Lewis whilst comparing him to one of Wlad's opponents (Alexander Povetkin). Hence, why I am bringing up Lennox Lewis.

Also, Wladimir Klitschko has had 69 bouts. Lennox Lewis only had 44 bouts. No other boxer has had as many bouts as Wladimir Klitschko at heavyweight boxing (over 60 bouts) with as many avenged losses as Wlad.

Lennox Lewis didn't have as many bouts for this to even be a valid comparison. I can assure you that if Lennox Lewis also had 69 bouts, he wouldn't be likely to avenge all his losses either.

Also, his early losses don't matter because none of those boxers who beat him were relevant later. They were fluke victories!

Lewis also faced better opposition than Wlad. Those are irrefutable facts.

Can you prove this? Otherwise, no, it isn't a fact but merely your own opinion.

How does that refute anything that I said about Wlad's resume?

It doesn't! It instead responds to the actual topic of this thread that you created. Which is a comparison between Alexander Povetkin and Lennox Lewis. Perhaps learn not to get sidetracked too much from your own thread that you yourself created?

The way you've set up this poll and thread gives the indication that you're implying Povetkin is more likely to get KO'ed than not by a declining Lennox Lewis. Despite the fact that Povetkin has never been KO'ed or stopped in his combat sport career spanning over 200 bouts whilst he is currently 38 years old. Let that sink in for a while!

Why would you even ask the question: Could a prime Povetkin go 12 rounds with Lennox Lewis?

When far lesser boxers than Povetkin have not only gone 12 rounds with PRIME Lennox Lewis, but also gave Lewis problems too?

Alexander Povetkin is FACTUALLY better than any of Lennox Lewis's best opponents. Based on the records.

Who are Lewis's best opponents?

Evander Holyfield? The guy who was beaten more comprehensively by Sultan Ibragimov, Chris Byrd and James Toney?

Mike Tyson? The guy who was beaten more comprehensively by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride?

Ray Mercer? The guy who was beaten more comprehensively by ancient, past his best Larry Holmes around age 40?

David Tua? The guy who was beaten just as convincingly by Chris Byrd?

Andrew Golota? The guy who was beaten by nearly everybody? From Mike Tyson to Michael Grant?

Meanwhile, Alexander Povetkin has only ever lost to Wladimir Klitschko and has never lost to anybody else like Lennox Lewis's best opponents have.

I mean come on! This really is no contest!

These are facts and Alexander Povetkin > any opponent Lennox Lewis beat.

[MaksBox]

Like I said, I'm no scientist, I have no idea the techniques used to beat a drug test nor do you. Povetkin was prepared to beat a drug test, therefore he was doing something to minimize the amount in his body, it takes basic common sense to figure that out. The guy isn't going to take PED's and not try to hide it lmao. He tested positive for Meldonium and later Ostarine, those are facts.


Pedvetkin did not make his physical transformation until he was around 35 years old. Tyson, Lewis, Vitali, Holyfield all declined physically, nobody has made a physical transformation at HW like Pedvetkin did at his age, EVER, I dare you to find one in the history of boxing. Pro tip: you can't.


This was him at 229lbs vs Huck with a gut and excessive fat:


This is him as a 35 year old vs Charr at 225lbs, barely a 4lb difference and he's got abs. Pedvetkin dropped about 15lbs of pure fat while replacing that with lean muscle.




From age 26-34 Povetkin had a 70% KO ratio without PED's.

From age 34-36 Pedvetkin had a 100% KO ratio on PED's.

Without PED's Povetkin's KO ratio is 0%.

The last time he tested positive was his last knockout.

Common sense dude.

Before talking out your ass, go read some interviews or actually looking at his training.

With Ivan Kirpa, his new trainer the first thing they worked on was getting in proper cardio.

In one interview Ivan says the first thing he told Povetkin was... "Your skills are fine, but you are a bit fat and your stamina sucks."

Go look at his training now, Povetkins camps are posted on instagram and twitter.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Before talking out your ass, go read some interviews or actually looking at his training.

With Ivan Kirpa, his new trainer the first thing they worked on was getting in proper cardio.

In one interview Ivan says the first thing he told Povetkin was... "Your skills are fine, but you are a bit fat and your stamina sucks."

Go look at his training now, Povetkins camps are posted on instagram and twitter.

Well put! That poster is full of double standards. Cherry picks rare instances to prove points about certain things and spreads propaganda based on limited knowledge / info. I doubt that poster is really interested in the truth. Most likely is just full of hate.

[4truth]

if by prime you mean roided, then sure he might even win. Lewis wasn't as good at holding as Wlad.

[Cutthroat]

Before talking out your ass, go read some interviews or actually looking at his training.

With Ivan Kirpa, his new trainer the first thing they worked on was getting in proper cardio.

In one interview Ivan says the first thing he told Povetkin was... "Your skills are fine, but you are a bit fat and your stamina sucks."

Go look at his training now, Povetkins camps are posted on instagram and twitter.

Well put! That poster is full of double standards. Cherry picks rare instances to prove points about certain things and spreads propaganda based on limited knowledge / info. I doubt that poster is really interested in the truth. Most likely is just full of hate.

Here, if you don't want to believe me that's fine, but here are the words of Pedvetkin's own trainer:


https://www.boxingscene.com/trainer-...ension--123789

According to veteran trainer Fiodor Lapin, Olympic gold medal winner Alexander Povetkin has lost some of his accuracy and punching power and is not in the same physical former that he was - prior to the suspension related to drug test failures.

"Until recently, I would have said that Povetkin was the favorite in potential fights against both Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. Povetkin would have been the favorite, but after those situations and the two fights that he had - that's another Povetkin. He used to get in earlier [with big punches], and his opponents went down, but now they do not go down, so now he is not in the form that was before the suspension," Lapin said to Vasily Konov.

"It's clear that there was no fight to be fought [in his last outing], but Hammer's level can not even be compared closely with these fighters [at the top]. Yes, Povetkin unquestionably won against Hammer, but he lost the force in his punches and lacked accuracy."


We know for a FACT Pedvetkin was on Meldonium, a cardio enhancer among other things. We know for a fact he tested positive for Ostarine vs Duhapas. We know for a fact that since getting busted for PED's he has 0 knock outs. He's better than when he fought Huck, but nowhere near top level anymore which is even believed by his own trainer.

[BoxingTech718]

prime aka Roided to the gills Pedvekin has the ability to hang around with anyone

[Mr Objecitivity]

Here, if you don't want to believe me that's fine, but here are the words of Pedvetkin's own trainer:


https://www.boxingscene.com/trainer-...ension--123789

According to veteran trainer Fiodor Lapin, Olympic gold medal winner Alexander Povetkin has lost some of his accuracy and punching power and is not in the same physical former that he was - prior to the suspension related to drug test failures.

"Until recently, I would have said that Povetkin was the favorite in potential fights against both Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. Povetkin would have been the favorite, but after those situations and the two fights that he had - that's another Povetkin. He used to get in earlier [with big punches], and his opponents went down, but now they do not go down, so now he is not in the form that was before the suspension," Lapin said to Vasily Konov.

"It's clear that there was no fight to be fought [in his last outing], but Hammer's level can not even be compared closely with these fighters [at the top]. Yes, Povetkin unquestionably won against Hammer, but he lost the force in his punches and lacked accuracy."


We know for a FACT Pedvetkin was on Meldonium, a cardio enhancer among other things. We know for a fact he tested positive for Ostarine vs Duhapas. We know for a fact that since getting busted for PED's he has 0 knock outs. He's better than when he fought Huck, but nowhere near top level anymore which is even believed by his own trainer.

Please stop posting this nonsensical propaganda. Or do so, but expect to be continuously debunked / refuted. There is no evidence whatsoever that Povetkin took Meldonium. Thus, that point is totally irrelevant in the first place. And there's also no evidence that Meldonium does anything to enhance the performance of an athlete, anymore than legal drugs like creatine or caffeine can. Especially the minute trace quantity that Povetkin had.

And Povetkin tested positive for 1 picogram of Ostarine. Do you realize how small that is? That's equivalent to comparing the size of a single ant, to the size of multiple Earths. That amount couldn't even enhance a fly, never mind a fully grown human being.

Go and find me any athlete that was ever banned or fined for testing positive for a single PICOGRAM of any drug. No instrument even exists today that can accurately measure such a small quantity of anything. It's usually in a range found between x amount of picogram to y amount of picogram. Even Canelo's drug test that was positive was tested to be in a range, because it wasn't accurate enough to pinpoint the exact picogram of Clenbuterol that existed in Canelo Alvarez's body. So we don't even know if the 1 picogram drug test was accurate.

As for no knockouts in his last 2 bouts. So what? He instead won a combined 24 rounds against 2 opponents that came to primarily survive. So why does he need to KO his opponents if he's able to win every round comfortably and win by decision?

Meanwhile, Povetkin's opponents before 2017 all came to win and that's why they got knocked out / stopped. Had Rudenko and Hammer came to win as well, they'd also have been knocked out in all probability too.

[Navalny20!8]

if by prime you mean roided, then sure he might even win. Lewis wasn't as good at holding as Wlad.

How do you think he would win - UD or KO? I am not disagreeing with you, just curious.