Seeing that Wilder is a huge favorite against Ortiz does this mean

[kafkod]

So you're saying Ortiz went pro at 43?

And was 35 in in amateur tournaments where he clearly looks to be in his mid 20s?

Your position really doesn't make any sense.

Wilder was favored over Povetkin btw. Even though the fight was in Russia.

The idiots & trolls **** on Wilder all day long, but the world's leading experts consider him to be a very very dangerous man. Which is why Hearn is so reluctant.

I'm convinced by those photos of Ortiz as an amateur. That was clearly him and he looked like a young, fresh faced man in his 20s.

And if he was one of those guys who looks 10 years younger than their real age, then nobody would be saying he looks like a 50 yo now!

Some guys get that mature, "old man" expression on their faces sooner than others, and Ortiz happens to be one of them, I guess.

[leathernvouges]

It seems to me ppl believe that power beats skill but when it comes to this it’s very interesting because surely everyone thinks Ortiz is the overall better fighter by far but it’s wilders youth, legs, athleticism and power, and his confidence but mostly power in the right hand, now if your thinking clearly and u look at the fact that as an southpaw the most vulnerable punch is the straight right hand and I’m sure he’s been taught this since birth he should know what not to do in the ring to have him in line for that punch and ask yourself can wilder win if Ortiz can take the punch?

[Sheldon312]

It seems to me ppl believe that power beats skill but when it comes to this it’s very interesting because surely everyone thinks Ortiz is the overall better fighter by far but it’s wilders youth, legs, athleticism and power, and his confidence but mostly power in the right hand, now if your thinking clearly and u look at the fact that as an southpaw the most vulnerable punch is the straight right hand and I’m sure he’s been taught this since birth he should know what not to do in the ring to have him in line for that punch and ask yourself can wilder win if Ortiz can take the punch?

It's kind of like Thomas Hearns vs Roberto Duran to be honest.

[N/A]

Yeah .. if Hearn thought Wilder was an easy touch he wouldn't hesitate to give him a 50/50 deal to fight AJ.

Come on man, get real!

Parker also asked for 50/50 and that didn't stop the deal from happening. It's called negotiating. You AJ fans who are so hung up on 50/50 are being fooled by Hearn. 50/50 is Wilder's opening offer, which really means he'll take 60/40.

Hearn viewed Parker as an easy fight, so he was eager to negotiate and get a deal done.

Hearn views Wilder as a dangerous fight, so he isn't eager to negotiate and get a deal done.

Pretty simple. Hearn is being a smart business man. Why would you rush into the most dangerous fight? But stop being fooled by the 50/50 nonsense. Of course Wilder is going to initially ask for 50/50. Because he knows Hearn is going to ask for 70/30. This is how negotiating works.

[Raggamuffin]

Frazier wasn't more skilled than anybody...

He was just well matched until he had to put up or shut up against Foreman and he got exposed...

What a dumb ****en comment lmao.

[DuckAdonis]

I would put some money on Ortiz then if Wilder is that much of a favourite. Starting to feel like Eubank-Groves

[Raggamuffin]

Punk Frazier had no skills.

His head movement was funny to watch. Clown got caught MORE because of it.

The way he would cover up was also amateurish at best, he would handcuff himself like a novice....

Dude was a punk that couldn't handle adversity.
JUST LIKE YOU

Punk? Somebody get him the hell outta here lmao!!! This isnt even trolling. It doesn’t qualify as trolling either.

[Tom Cruise]

Frazier wasn't more skilled than anybody...

He was just well matched until he had to put up or shut up against Foreman and he got exposed...

Complete bull****.

On thread, yeah power is a big factor at HW. Not the only factor though. Countless examples of skilled fighters taking power away from their opponents.

[kiDynamite92]

Frazier wasn't more skilled than anybody...

He was just well matched until he had to put up or shut up against Foreman and he got exposed...

Yeah a guy with no skills beat Muhammad Ali right?

[kafkod]

Parker also asked for 50/50 and that didn't stop the deal from happening. It's called negotiating. You AJ fans who are so hung up on 50/50 are being fooled by Hearn. 50/50 is Wilder's opening offer, which really means he'll take 60/40.

Hearn viewed Parker as an easy fight, so he was eager to negotiate and get a deal done.

Hearn views Wilder as a dangerous fight, so he isn't eager to negotiate and get a deal done.

Pretty simple. Hearn is being a smart business man. Why would you rush into the most dangerous fight? But stop being fooled by the 50/50 nonsense. Of course Wilder is going to initially ask for 50/50. Because he knows Hearn is going to ask for 70/30. This is how negotiating works.

Unlike Haymon, or whoever is pulling the strings in Wilder's team, Parker's promoter actually sent Hearn an offer to promote the fight themselves, with a 60/40 split in AJ's favour.

When Hearn rejected that, which they knew he would, they then compromised by saying Joe would accept 35/65 to fight AJ on a Hearn show in the UK, and then compromised again by accepting something in between 30% and 35% to get the deal done.

That's how negotiating works if both sides are seriously committed to getting a deal made.

Wilder saying "50/50 or no fight", while knowing that Parker was waiting in the wings and would accept something much more favourable to AJ than 50/50, was team Wilder's way of making sure the fight wasn't going to happen next.

Imo, neither Eddie Hearn nor Haymon/Finkel actually want it to happen next, because they all know it would make a lot more money further down the line. Let's just hope neither Parker nor Ortiz ruin their plans by pulling off upsets. They are both live dogs, imo.