Groves arguably beats anyone at 160

[Cutthroat]

His size, power, speed, activity, it'd be too much for most guys in the division as it was for Eubank/Murray. I think Benavidez & Zurdo would also arguably beat anybody at 160, I mean with their size, huge advantage. Even a guy like Brahmer would pose a serious threat to anybody.


The division is not as bad as people make it out to be. Truax is the weak link after beating a shot Degale (Jack literally beat the teeth out of him), and I believe he'll be replaced soon.

[Johnston]

Every person you named would literally have to die to get down to 160 so what's the point? I think the top lhw bully the top smw , cruiserweights would beat up and bully the lhw, and so on. This means nothing

[Cutthroat]

Every person you named would literally have to die to get down to 160 so what's the point? I think the top lhw bully the top smw , cruiserweights would beat up and bully the lhw, and so on. This means nothing

Alvarez, Charlo, and Andrade are all from lower weight classes and capable of beating anybody at 160.

How can a guy on the P4P list not even be capable of moving up a single division, a mere 8lbs north in a division they say is garbage?

[#1Assassin]

highly doubt groves could make 160 well. the fighters mentioned certainly wouldnt.

besides, groves didnt look good to me against eubank. callum smith will beat him, so would probably ggg, Saunders, Alvarez and charlo even though they are much smaller. even in moving up, if groves boiled down to 160 to fight them he would get stopped, even by Saunders imo (not saying Saunders isnt good, just that he cant punch).

[AKAcronym]

Says a mere 8 lbs, but goes on mentioning their size and how it's a huge advantage...

[cork]

I would put money on ggg canelo saunders and jacobs to beat him. Don't know about charlo yet cause I haven't seen enough of him at 160.

Murata and devy are 50/50 for me. And this if they go up to 168

[Illmatic94]

Canelo bodybags him. he didn't look that impressive. defense is trash. dont see it. and making 160 would probably make him perform worse.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Let's see:

Gennady Golovkin TKO 11 Martin Murray in a one sided blow out

George Groves UD older, declining Martin Murray in a close, competitive bout.

The most powerful puncher at middleweight in Golovkin destroys Martin Murray by stoppage but one of the most powerful punchers at 168 in George Groves fails to stop Martin Murray.

Of course, it's just one example and I prefer not to base my conclusion on one or two bouts.

Gennady Golovkin and Daniel Jacobs arguably beat George Groves in my opinion!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Alvarez, Charlo, and Andrade are all from lower weight classes and capable of beating anybody at 160.

How can a guy on the P4P list not even be capable of moving up a single division, a mere 8lbs north in a division they say is garbage?

First you wrtite this:

His size, power, speed, activity, it'd be too much for most guys in the division as it was for Eubank/Murray.

Then you write this:

How can a guy on the P4P list not even be capable of moving up a single division, a mere 8lbs north in a division they say is garbage?

You are so full of contradictions that it's almost laughable now!

[yngwie]

Errol Spence could beat everybody at 140, Beterbiev could beat everybody at 168, Golovkin could beat everybody at 154, there's a reason for why you have weightclasses.